The next Conservative Leader thread.

Scania · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:28

Boris, helped greatly in leaving a huge **** floating in the pool and promptly gets out!

Crabb's views on homosexuality rule him out and Gove clearly says one thing and does another.

I think May will walk this.

Glaucus · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:29

All he wanted was some hair time on tv, now it's backfired.

wildman · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:29

Scania said:
Boris, helped greatly in leaving a huge **** floating in the pool and promptly gets out!

Crabb's views on homosexuality rule him out and Gove clearly says one thing and does another.

I think May will walk this.

May as the next PM and no coherent opposition party.

people should be afraid, very afraid.

dl8860 · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:32

Housey said:
God can you imagine the handbags with all those hormonal car wrecks in 1 room negotiating

Implying Merkel and May are hormonal car wrecks just because they are women? Not normally one to call out sexism but not too keen on this

andicole0 · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:33

Blow! No Johnson, Trump and Putin parties. :-)

Andi

scorza · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:34

Burnsy2023 said:
So just an aside, what was Boris' strategy here?

He joined the leave campaign as it'd give him the opportunity to counter DC as leader and PM. I think we all know he didn't believe in the actual cause?

So if this was the plan, why is he dropping out? Perhaps not enough support from MPs? If that's the case, surely the plan would have been building support throughout? Perhaps he didn't expect a brexit win? Maybe he just wanted a stage opposite DC which could frame him as an obvious leader?

Think it's been made clear to him that Tories are out to get him for shafting Cameron. Gove stuck the knife in as well.

EddScott · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:36

wildman said:
May as the next PM and no coherent opposition party.

people should be afraid, very afraid.

Honest question - why?

Is May really that bad?

Seems like the only one credible enough to actually broker a half decent deal out of this mess.

Mr Jack · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:37

Burnsy2023 said:
So just an aside, what was Boris' strategy here?

He joined the leave campaign as it'd give him the opportunity to counter DC as leader and PM. I think we all know he didn't believe in the actual cause?

So if this was the plan, why is he dropping out? Perhaps not enough support from MPs? If that's the case, surely the plan would have been building support throughout? Perhaps he didn't expect a brexit win? Maybe he just wanted a stage opposite DC which could frame him as an obvious leader?

His plan was to be the heroic leader of a noble, but ultimate futile, Leave campaign and carry the wave of discontent from the Tory faithful into number 10. He's dropped out now because (1) quite a lot of Tory MPs now hate him and he's not sure he'll win and (2) because he knows whoever is the next PM and has to pull the trigger on Article 50 is going to have a disastrous premiership.

Rroff · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:38

Burnsy2023 said:
So just an aside, what was Boris' strategy here?

He joined the leave campaign as it'd give him the opportunity to counter DC as leader and PM. I think we all know he didn't believe in the actual cause?

So if this was the plan, why is he dropping out? Perhaps not enough support from MPs? If that's the case, surely the plan would have been building support throughout? Perhaps he didn't expect a brexit win? Maybe he just wanted a stage opposite DC which could frame him as an obvious leader?

Seems like he did it for the political capital under the assumption it would be close but leave couldn't possibly win heh.

joeyjojo · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:38

Burnsy2023 said:
Perhaps he didn't expect a brexit win? Maybe he just wanted a stage opposite DC which could frame him as an obvious leader?

Seems most likely to me.

MookJong · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:39

I called it right after the win that Boris would not take this job. I have never seen him look so unconvincing when he made his winners speech last Friday.

Burnsy2023 · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:42

Mr Jack said:
His plan was to be the heroic leader of a noble, but ultimate futile, Leave campaign and carry the wave of discontent from the Tory faithful into number 10. He's dropped out now because (1) quite a lot of Tory MPs now hate him and he's not sure he'll win and (2) because he knows whoever is the next PM and has to pull the trigger on Article 50 is going to have a disastrous premiership.

So the fact they won means he misjudged the outcome and now wants to avoid a poisoned chalice?

wildman · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:44

EddScott said:
Honest question - why?

Is May really that bad?

Seems like the only one credible enough to actually broker a half decent deal out of this mess.

She'd have our civil liberties for breakfast, and of all the Tory front bench has the most anti libertarian / pro authoritarian philosophy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...scrutiny-mps-second-reading-firms-campaigners

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4712439.ece

I am not sure most people who want to live in a free and democratic country want invasion of privacy to be one of the core tenets of the government. BUt I could be wrong, in which case I suggest those people move to North Korea, or China, or as they tell us, suck it up that's democracy.............

Greebo · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:45

scorza said:
Think it's been made clear to him that Tories are out to get him for shafting Cameron. Gove stuck the knife in as well.

Well Gove's speech was meant to be Gove announcing his support for Boris before he made his speech supposedly. I think that was the final straw.

Greebo · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:46

Burnsy2023 said:
So the fact they won means he misjudged the outcome and now wants to avoid a poisoned chalice?

Yep. Plus he is more pro eu than most Tories so probably ultimately goes against what he wants to do as well.

Freddie1980 · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:47

amigafan2003 said:
Quite, that's why I'd vote for him. I think he's respected by his Tory colleagues but he's unelectable for the vast majority of voters. With Gove at the helm, it's less likely that the Tories will win the next GE.

Keep dreaming. The Tories could elect a cauliflower as the next Tory leader and still beat Labour at the next election. For all the problems the Conservatives have Labour has the same only amplified by a factor of 10.

There's not doubt about it, if May gets the nod older Tory voters will inveterately get all nostalgic and start comparing her to Maggie. If she catches on (I see no reason why she wouldn't, she's even respected by Labour circles) and her popularity is high enough she will hold a snap election before the year is out and pulverise Labour into dust.

Uriel · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:47

Every chance that Boris just found out what Rupert Murdoch has got on him and decided to walk.

Aberfala · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:49

Burnsy2023 said:
So the fact they won means he misjudged the outcome and now wants to avoid a poisoned chalice?

That was my thought as I watched his speech.

Mr Jack · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:51

EddScott said:
Is May really that bad?

Yes, she's violently opposed to privacy, due process, and basically thinks she should be allowed to do what she wants to people arbitrarily declared as bad people. The only thing holding her back so far as being the Human Rights Act and the ECHR, one of which she wants to abolish and the other of which she wants to leave.

Her immigration policies have been cruel and arbitrary and she's wasted a fortune in government money in one ill-judged deportation attempt after another.

She's the absolute black heart of the right.

Mr Jack · 30 Jun 2016 at 13:52

Burnsy2023 said:
So the fact they won means he misjudged the outcome and now wants to avoid a poisoned chalice?

I think so, yes.