Farage

[[FnG]magnolia]

I like Farage's facial expressions and his sometimes brevity of wit when under pressure but other than that he is a largely dislikeable man with a tricky, oblong mind, and a propensity for strange and unwanted enlightenments.

 

[John40]

Does anyone actaully know (or can intelligently theorise) why on earth he said that most of the MEP's had never done a days work in theirs lives (or very similar words), when he has to have know that amogst those people were ex surgeons, high ranking soldiers, professors etc.
What did he possibly expect to come of that?
I actually agree(d) with some of his policies, but that was just......plain.....stupid!

Do you think he deliberatly tried to alienate the EU members for a certain reason?

The report by Sky was approximately 60% had only ever worked in politics in some way so he might have exaggerated but not by much.

 

[RaohNS]

The report by Sky was approximately 60% had only ever worked in politics in some way so he might have exaggerated but not by much.

If 60% had only ever worked in political areas.. His words of "most of you have never had a proper job" were pretty spot on?

 

[Jono8]

I like Farage's facial expressions and his sometimes brevity of wit when under pressure but other than that he is a largely dislikeable man with a tricky, oblong mind, and a propensity for strange and unwanted enlightenments.

Indeed. I don't agree with him at all and think he is a bit of a fruitcake, but compared to some other politicians at the moment you have to at least admire his integrity. He is at least sticking to his guns instead of flip flopping on almost everything like Boris et al.

 

[SS-89]

The FTSE is for the rich anyway. Someone at a mates house who works in London said a friend of his working in currency exchange made £45k in one day from the fluctuations then a similar amount as the FTSE climbs.

Forecast you say? Well I suppose when the 1,000trillion credit bubble bursts Brexit will be blamed.

Recession true definition: When the hyper rich individuals or entities are making little or no money

Markets fluctuate, there was billions in foreign property investment too on Friday from the Chinese but of course that wouldn't fit the BBC narrative of everything has to look like the world is ending.

So the FTSE isn't a measure like you intimated. Ah good old anecdotal mate of a mate made money...traders making money off market volatility, how dare they do their jobs. But lets circle back as what relevance does that point have to do with recession?

Shock as entities not performing well is part of the definition of recession...was there a point in there? Of course it does, if entities aren't performing well there is a very real impact on their future investment plans in the UK, this in turn puts downward pressure on wages and recruitment all of which have a negative impact on GDP.

Markets fluctuate, yes but the markets and the pound had already priced in the possibility of brexit hence what was largely perceived as a depressed value of the pound at 1.4. The reason it rose to 1.5 was on the back of market positivity and sentiment that remain was likely to be the result. We then saw that despite the depressed pricing at 1.4 the pound has taken a further hit following the vote to the lows of 1.31 before stabilising around 1.32-1.34. Foreign investment in property is a very small percentage of our GDP and in fact as already pointed out is just going to put further pressure on our property market.

Like I said recession is a real possibility, you can ignore that if you want but reality always bites eventually. What we need as a country is the parliamentary position to be sorted out quickly and negotiations to begin and conclude in our favour. If that happens hopefully we can limit any long term damage.

 

[RaohNS]

So the FTSE isn't a measure like you intimated. Ah good old anecdotal mate of a mate made money...traders making money off market volatility, how dare they do their jobs. But lets circle back as what relevance does that point have to do with recession?

Shock as entities not performing well is part of the definition of recession...was there a point in there? Of course it does, if entities aren't performing well there is a very real impact on their future investment plans in the UK, this in turn puts downward pressure on wages and recruitment all of which have a negative impact on GDP.

Markets fluctuate, yes but the markets and the pound had already priced in the possibility of brexit hence what was largely perceived as a depressed value of the pound at 1.4. The reason it rose to 1.5 was on the back of market positivity and sentiment that remain was likely to be the result. We then saw that despite the depressed pricing at 1.4 the pound has taken a further hit following the vote to the lows of 1.31 before stabilising around 1.32-1.34. Foreign investment in property is a very small percentage of our GDP and in fact as already pointed out is just going to put further pressure on our property market.

Like I said recession is a real possibility, you can ignore that if you want but reality always bites eventually. What we need as a country is the parliamentary position to be sorted out quickly and negotiations to begin and conclude in our favour. If that happens hopefully we can limit any long term damage.

Think parts of your post say exactly what I have said. No disagreements here.

Time will tell but as long as we have the capacity to realize that some future calamity will not be blamed on Brexit... But the sad reality is the media will say it was to do with Brexit and the uninformed will swallow it hook line and sinker.

The UK version of KCNA could run with a story of how Brexit is responsible for the 2008 crash and there are people who would believe it.

I think the old mantra of follow the money would be the most apt thing to do

 

[SciNeT]

Amateur Politics more like

Herpy derps barking racist at people is politics.

 

[SS-89]

Think parts of your post say exactly what I have said. No disagreements here.

Time will tell but as long as we have the capacity to realize that some future calamity will not be blamed on Brexit... But the sad reality is the media will say it was to do with Brexit and the uninformed will swallow it hook line and sinker.

The UK version of KCNA could run with a story of how Brexit is responsible for the 2008 crash and there are people who would believe it.

I think the old mantra of follow the money would be the most apt thing to do

Any recession from now will absolutely be linked in some form to the result of the referendum. Markets hate uncertainty so if they aren't sure we will have access to the single market or what our negotiation position is then it's only human nature to flee to safe havens which is why we have seen capital flight out of Private equity funds/stocks and the pound. So the more definitive reason would be 'Market uncertainty' caused by Brexit.

However if and this is a big if, we negotiate an extremely favourable position in terms of access to the single market (I'm still of the view that the EU will categorically not allow access without free movement which a lot of leave voters oppose and noises so far would appear to support that) then maybe the long term damage will be mitigated. Otherwise all bets are off and I'd be very worried for our long term economic outlook. The longer this drags on the longer we will be in this period of flux and it will absolutely hurt our growth.

 

[Gilly]

If 60% had only ever worked in political areas.. His words of "most of you have never had a proper job" were pretty spot on?

"I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in business or worked in trade or ever created a job."

So the stat says approximately 60% have only ever worked in politics. If we take that at face value, you don't think career politicians have ever created jobs?

It's a great soundbite if you like that sort of thing and hate the EU, but it's nothing but him being bolshy. It carries no weight.

 

[Washout]

However if and this is a big if, we negotiate an extremely favourable position in terms of access to the single market (I'm still of the view that the EU will categorically not allow access without free movement which a lot of leave voters oppose and noises so far would appear to support that) then maybe the long term damage will be mitigated. Otherwise all bets are off and I'd be very worried for our long term economic outlook. The longer this drags on the longer we will be in this period of flux and it will absolutely hurt our growth.

That's what I absolutely do not get about the vote to leave. At the very best Britain ends up back at square 1, probably a little worse off and with absolutely no power to change things in Europe. Baffling.

 

[RaohNS]

Any recession from now will absolutely be linked in some form to the result of the referendum. Markets hate uncertainty so if they aren't sure we will have access to the single market or what our negotiation position is then it's only human nature to flee to safe havens which is why we have seen capital flight out of Private equity funds/stocks and the pound. So the more definitive reason would be 'Market uncertainty' caused by Brexit.

However if and this is a big if, we negotiate an extremely favourable position in terms of access to the single market (I'm still of the view that the EU will categorically not allow access without free movement which a lot of leave voters oppose and noises so far would appear to support that) then maybe the long term damage will be mitigated. Otherwise all bets are off and I'd be very worried for our long term economic outlook. The longer this drags on the longer we will be in this period of flux and it will absolutely hurt our growth.

World markets fluctuate, they have booms and busts. That is the banking systems reliance and inescapable desire.

We will see how negotiations go wont we. We have a very powerful position now whether people are prepared to admit it or accept it or not. We can essentially say we want a trade deal with the EU and these are our terms. If the EU does not accept them they will instantly lose £60bn from one small sector and at least £20bn from an even smaller sector. And that's just from Germany.

I voted leave because I wanted democracy. The main impetus of the leave campaign however was unlimited and unmitigated free movement. It therefore should stand that any negotiation will not be on the condition of free movement.

Indeed, no other free trade or non-free trade agreement between states has that as a stipulation. If we could begin to fathom the reasoning behind that it would make us all the more suspicious of what these politicians say.

"I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in business or worked in trade or ever created a job."

So the stat says approximately 60% have only ever worked in politics. If we take that at face value, you don't think career politicians have ever created jobs?

It's a great soundbite if you like that sort of thing and hate the EU, but it's nothing but him being bolshy. It carries no weight.

Do politicians create jobs? Or is it a job created because of an external demand or necessity? MPs and MEPs who hire family (including Mr Farage) do create some jobs, but they are not even a pin ***** on the jobs created as a result of consumer necessity.

Supply and demand, it is the drive behind economics

 

[nine_tails]

Staring Leonardo Di Caprio in and as Nigel Farage : Destroyer of the worlds.

 

[Judgeneo]

Farage has served his purpose, and achieved his life's work. He should now retire.

 

[Gilly]

Do politicians create jobs?

Yes.

They take them away too.

 

[sityeuropa]

Farage being a great speaker, he is definitely knowledgeable. As Neil Tyson once told Dawkins, he would be more effective if he put some sensitivity into his speeches without insults.

Facts and Sensitivity = More Impact.

 

[RaohNS]

That's what I absolutely do not get about the vote to leave. At the very best Britain ends up back at square 1, probably a little worse off and with absolutely no power to change things in Europe. Baffling.

Depends what we can negotiate though.

The bigger picture here I that the EU will now have to find ways of keeping its power. Its always the case with an organization that has vast amounts of power to want more and to preserve that power. This is why I think the EU will hurriedly make allowances and bring Turkey in.

At the point Turkey becomes eligible (and remember they don't even have to comply with all the principles of the EU acceptance) the leave campaign can categorically say. Remainers have been and were wrong and the politicians who gave assurances lied completely.

Any future threads on Turkish membership I will be sure to keep pushing that message

Yes.

They take them away too.

They take 10^5+ more away than they create though. They create tiny amounts of jobs, in fact job creation is so small amongst them it would be lucky to register as a blip in a job spike.

For example there is demand for apprenticeships but Government cuts make it impossible for some desperate employers to open up an opportunity.

 

[Six6siX]

At the point Turkey becomes eligible (and remember they don't even have to comply with all the principles of the EU acceptance) the leave campaign can categorically say. Remainers have been and were wrong and the politicians who gave assurances lied completely.

Any future threads on Turkish membership I will be sure to keep pushing that message

I can't see how you can draw that conclusion to be honest. It's a completely different scenario to what might have been should the UK have stayed in the EU given our stance on Turkey.

 

[RaohNS]

Farage being a great speaker, he is definitely knowledgeable. As Neil Tyson once told Dawkins, he would be more effective if he put some sensitivity into his speeches without insults.

Facts and Sensitivity = More Impact.

He is also one of a very few politicians that can answer using the words yes and no. He is arrogant to a point and its likely that arrogance is due to having to face constant attack every day of his life.

Sensitivity haha.. That's there for **********

I can't see how you can draw that conclusion to be honest. It's a completely different scenario to what might have been should the UK have stayed in the EU given our stance on Turkey.

What stance was that exactly?

 

[a1ex2001]

Indeed. I don't agree with him at all and think he is a bit of a fruitcake, but compared to some other politicians at the moment you have to at least admire his integrity. He is at least sticking to his guns instead of flip flopping on almost everything like Boris et al.

LOL he flip flops as it suits he made spurious claims during the campaign which he has now backed down from, he claims not to be a racist xenophobe and then produces 'that poster'. His 'speech' in the EU parliament was frankly embarrassing he sounded like a nervous school boy trying to score points of his teachers and for a man with one of the worst attendance and voting records representing a party with the worst attendance and voting record all while he sits at home supping a pint and claiming all his allowances it was a bit rich! He only appears to be successful because he appeals to a base denominator and directs peoples problems in life to hate be it of the EU or immigrants.

The man has no redeeming features what so ever and the sooner he disappears from UK politics the better it is the only plus side of leaving the EU he looses his seat and his platform and his party looses it's reason for existence and hopefully it's support.

 

[Six6siX]

What stance was that exactly?

The one reiterated throughout the campaign.