Again I suggest you go and read up on the statistics behind opinion polling. A poll of 1000 is quite sufficient to give a decent reading of the views of the entire populous if the sample is chosen to be representative.
The next Labour leader thread
- Thread starter Ricochet J
- Start date
Again I suggest you go and read up on the statistics behind opinion polling. A poll of 1000 is quite sufficient to give a decent reading of the views of the entire populous if the sample is chosen to be representative.
So should Corbyn win... That would make your total 1,000 people in the electorate... Liars? The pollsters... Wrong? (again)
Come next month or so we will see. I've already got a sig lined up if Corbyn loses as a forfeit.
You are confusing the selectorate of labour party members with the electorate as a whole.
Corbyn's popularity with a small subsection of people is not the issue.
Again: the polls I'm talking about are not for the leadership election they are for the country as a whole. Corbyn winning the leadership election does not say anything about his ability to win the country in a general election. As I've said, multiple times, I think Corbyn is very likely to win the leadership election.
As a Tory Dolph I'll just say no I'm not and we can leave it at that.
Well as I've said I we want rid of Corbyn, hold a GE and let him crash and burn and another self serving snake can replace him. Labour wont be getting mine or any of my families votes again though.
But do you not agree that they've brought that on themselves? The PLP never gave him a chance. From the moment he was elected leader they've been sniping at him. The PLP have never been willing to accept the wishes of the members on this issue so of course large swathes of the membership are hostile to the PLP.
That's Labour's problem right now. The MPs that were elected last time round are in the most part out of step with the wishes of their members (not necessarily Labour voters though). It's the members who will be going door to door come election time and the party needs to get this sorted some how.
Thats probably for the best, you have exposed clearly that your position is immune to logic or evidence so what's the point.
The swp would certainly welcome a 7th vote.
Labour MPs represent the electorate that voted them in, not the party membership. It's a very important distinction.
The distinction is big enough that forming a separate party based on the pre corbyn manifesto that the 170+ dissenters were elected on to be legitimate.
Last edited:
Lol no I just know where you take a socialist argument that just so happens to be a loathsome area for you to delve.
And speaking as someone who values logic and often uses the phrase "logic dictates" we can safely call bunkum on your sentence.
It is, but the wishes of party members should be taken into consideration as they're the boots on the ground come election time.
I'm not particularly pro or anti Corbyn by the way, I actually quite like the fact that he's dragged the PLPs chosen candidate to the left, I just don't think that alienating 60% (at the last count) of your paying supporters is a wise move.
Some of them have. sure. A great many of them tried hard to work with Corbyn, some of them actually achieved some successes (i.e. Owen Smith and the Labour Peers on Tax Credits) but they did it with little support from their leader. Sure, there are MPs (*cough*Hilary Benn*cough*) who've actively sought to undermine him from the start but they don't make up the majority of the 172 MPs who voted against him in the no-confidence vote.
And the hostility displayed towards MPs would be completely out of proportion, even if they had.
Associate
- Joined
- 20 Jul 2004
- Posts
- 460
- Location
- Wirral
Oh dear. Remember that crowded train where Corbyn spent the entire 3 hour journey sat on the corridor floor? Looks like the wheels (sorry) have come off that story
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...yn-had-a-seat-during-train-journey-he-claime/
and https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/abou...r-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...yn-had-a-seat-during-train-journey-he-claime/
and https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/abou...r-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005
Last edited:
*sighs*... Relentless... It actually turns me more against the media by the story to be honest.
Edit: In fact when I see one of these I'm just going to reply with something Owen Smith has done:
"Owen Smith has said he wants to get the headchopping, anti-gay, racist, misogynist terrorists ISIS round the table for tea, biscuits, and to give them more weapons including access to Britains nuclear codes and use of its citizens for practice killings"
The mail would be proud of that hyperbole... Lets see how many people on the board buy into it
Last edited:
eh - what because he was caught out by CCTV that he basically lied to further his own cause.
I agree that the press do seem to print any old tat if it has his name attached but if he's going to hand it on a plate to them with stuff like this then he's going to have t take this one on the chin.
If he wants to pull a stunt like this there are plenty of commuter trains he could have hopped on in the rush hour and got the desired footage.
I agree that the press do seem to print any old tat if it has his name attached but if he's going to hand it on a plate to them with stuff like this then he's going to have t take this one on the chin.
If he wants to pull a stunt like this there are plenty of commuter trains he could have hopped on in the rush hour and got the desired footage.
Associate
- Joined
- 20 Jul 2004
- Posts
- 460
- Location
- Wirral
Presumably this media story was fine though?
And, for the record, if you pop back a couple of pages you'll find I wasn't hugely impressed by Owen Smith's suggestion of ISIS peace talks either
Last edited:
I'm not on at you, I'm on at the media narrative. Corbyn would be better to self ignite on parliament square. There is actually an awful lot Owen Smith has done and said if you delve deep enough, its just you wont read about it.
Like I say... Relentless.
bwhahaha
Associate
- Joined
- 20 Jul 2004
- Posts
- 460
- Location
- Wirral
Owen Smith chips in
Associate
- Joined
- 20 Jul 2004
- Posts
- 460
- Location
- Wirral
That's OK
To be honest, I really do think the Labour party as we know it is pretty much screwed either way. Oily's whole campaign seems to be based around a cunning (yet totally obvious) charade were he pretends to be really left-wing in order to win over the membership. Which will lead to one hell of a bun fight should he actually win. Corbyn is, well Corbyn.
At the end of it all there'll still be the PLP and membership pulling in different directions, neither of which appeal to the voters...