Poll: Italian Grand Prix 2016, Monza - Race 14/21
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Verstappen is driving in FP3 with his head up his backside again it seems.
Dead slow and on the racing line going into Ascari when Rosberg was on a fast lap.
Gutierrez got a penalty for blocking in free practice in Spa... Maybe one coming his way.
Dead slow and on the racing line going into Ascari when Rosberg was on a fast lap.
Gutierrez got a penalty for blocking in free practice in Spa... Maybe one coming his way.
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Don't know if its his age or driving style or a combination of both, but I just can't warm up to the guy. After his response saying Jacques had actually killed someone, can't stand the guy.
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You do realise Villeneuve decided to be his usual outspoken self and say Verstappen is going to kill someone at some point, to which he responded and said effectively, you mean like you have?
From what I remember of the crash, Villeneuve just drove right into the back of someone, caused a major crash and a marshal was killed by one of his tires.
As now multiple drivers have come out and said Verstappen wasn't in the wrong and his defence was, according to Hulk, a piece of art. Frankly Villeneuves statement was genuinely pathetic and considering his own incompetence has caused a marshal to be killed, he's in absolutely no position to talk. Kimi was the one creating the danger with a move too late without being remotely prepared for a defensive move... which means a crash would have mostly been Kimi's fault and in a broadly similar situation to Villeneuve's crash.
Verstappen blocking Rosberg wasn't great, but people are saying "he was on the racing line through the chicane".... there is no offline in a chicane full stop. Rosberg managed two laps in which he was running into heavy traffic on his hot lap. Suggests to a large degree that the team got the spacing and gaps wrong. Hamilton was just ahead of that traffic, Rosberg should have slowed up to find a big gap behind them tbh. However it's almost impossible to say, there is only so slow these cars go, he may have gone down the whole straight hoping Rosberg would catch him but just ran out of space and had to take the corner, that is just bad luck.
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You make it sound like he did it on purpose. One of the best drivers to have ever driven in F1 has done exactly the same thing.
Hulkenberg's one of the best defensive drivers currently in F1 and though I've not seen his interview I would be staggered if that wasn't sarcastic.
There's a whacking great big run off, including a dedicated diversion.
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That's what I dislike about Max's comments.
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Villeneuve didn't do it on purpose and I didn't say he did, however it was still his fault. A car ahead of him was in the middle of the track, it didn't make any sudden changes of direction, he was approaching faster than normal which instantly tells the driver the car ahead is slower than normal. The immediate course of action is precaution, either move to a different line, prepare for a slower car to brake earlier and give yourself more time to react, he did none of those things and ended up in a big crash.
It was pretty similar to Alonso at, the same corner even? Alonso wasn't at all prepared for a slower car with a slower driver to not take the corner identically to himself. He got far too close and gave himself no space to react.
As for Verstappen andthe run off, yeah, a run off, with sleeping policemen which can damage the car. No car has to leave the track to make room for another one, ever.
Hulk wasn't being sarcastic, Rosberg and Alonso also said what Verstappen did wasn't over the line. People randomly out of no where decided that defending without the car behind alongside is not acceptable... when the guy behind misjudges the closing speed and is ill prepared for a perfectly legal defensive move. Kimi almost hit Verstappen because he made the move too late, he wasn't prepared for Verstappen to defend and he wasn't ready to switch his move to the other side, every other top driver wouldn't assume Verstappen wouldn't defend.
Kimi almost caused the accident, defending your position with one move is completely legal and good driving. Multiple drivers are saying so, only weird fans who have decided that if the guy behind pulls out(but doesn't get frankly close to alongside) the guy ahead can't defend.
Remember back to the Spain incident, absolutely no one at all anywhere suggested Rosberg didn't have the right to pull right to the same side Hamilton had started to go. The problem came because Hamilton got alongside and Rosberg continued to move to the edge of the track forcing Hamilton off. If Rosberg was ahead of Hamilton and kept going to the right, no problem. Incidentally Rosberg was deemed at fault for the incident and specifically it was stated that it was his fault not for moving across after Hamilton made a move, nor just getting close, but because Hamilton was alongside and Rosberg then didn't leave the space. Absolutely not one person said Rosberg moving right after Hamilton did was against the rules, dangerous driving, bad driving or a problem. Had Rosberg got to the edge of the track without Hamilton getting alongside(and this was an incident with a bigger than normal closing speed) then Hamilton would have had to switch left or brake and not one person brought this up as bad, it was only when Hamilton got alongside that Rosberg continuing to the edge of the track was considered blocking and against the rules.
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Max is not being told off for his passing but for his shocking defensive moves. Should have been penalised race before, and it's not like the first time we've seen him make dangerous moves.
I hope we see him penalised if he pulls that rubbish again.
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Would be surprised if Mercedes didn't have a 1-2 here tomorrow, but it could be mixed up at the start tomorrow. Surely this is Hamilton's pole to lose?
Excuse my ignorance, but I didn't realise (or didn't even think about it before Coulthard just mentioned it) they had a clutch on the back of the steering wheel. So they have to manually control a clutch paddle with the hand while also using two gear paddles?
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I thought it was just for starts?
Oh, you're probably correct, yeah. So I guess once they're out of 1st gear, the car auto clutches for all other gears?
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Manor beating Mclaren/Alonso combination..... Mclaren and those gains man, amazing.
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Manor have common a long way. McLaren incredibly inconsistent. Still miles off winning anything.
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Hamilton and Mercedes just trolling everyone. Rosberg won't have done that soft tire any good with the lock up.
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Hamiltons got a ton in his pocket here.
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TBH missed any lock ups but Brundle said Hamilton said on radio they should do another lap as he locked up in the first chicane I think he said. Are you sure it was Rosberg or did both lock up? Guess they'll look at his tires once he pits and see how bad the lock up is. Frankly they have superior tire life and Rosberg has never had anything like the pace Hamilton has had here... it probably wouldn't be an issue.
Ricciardo again going way way off in the final corner.