Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:00

Pudney said:
Not true at all. The New Testament details the new covenant in place between God and people. The New Testament replaces the rules set out in the Old Testament.

Wrong, the crucifixion and redirection replaced the mosiac law, the mosiac law is not the whole of the OT And also the act of homosexuality is specifically mentioned as a sin post the crucifixion and resurrection regardless.

Destination · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:00

vincent1989 said:
Erm, have you read the bible? Jesus specified numerous times that he and his father are the same in mind. They think the same. Therefore if God thinks being homosexual is a sin in the OT then Jesus still thinks it's a sin in the NT unless he specifically says otherwise. Please not though jesus does do away with the law of moses the commandment not to be homosexual is not covered by the law of moses and also is mentioned in the NT a number of times as being a sin. We should not sin. Neither God nor Jesus are fine with sin.

Do you eat pork? Or anything with pork products?

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Let me expand, or duck, or crab, or that which does not swim wholly in the sea, or walk wholly on the land?
Do you keep a dog?
What is your clothing made of?

Tosno · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:01

Pudney said:
Not true at all. The New Testament details the new covenant in place between God and people. The New Testament replaces the rules set out in the Old Testament.

Hi Pudney

If we look at one group of verses, we might conclude that we have to keep all Old Testament laws. If we look at another group of verses, we might conclude that they are all done away. Both answers have scriptural support and validity.

RDM · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:02

vincent1989 said:
God's not ok with people who have sex outside of marriage either, why pick homosexuality to make a stand with? There are far more people who commit adultery or have pre marital sex than those that are homosexual.

Because the thread is about homosexuality? :confused:

Not to mention extra marital sex is a choice, homosexuality not so much.

You didn't really answer the questions though.

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:02

RDM said:
Yes, several different versions in fact. But the question was "What did Jesus say about homosexuality". He said nothing about it. He certainly didn't say anything in the Old Testament about it.

If you believe the bible then you believe it was and is the word of God (Jesus) therefore what ever is in it Jesus said. The bible ergo Jesus says homosexuality is a sin.

Woden · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:04

vincent1989 said:
If you believe the bible then you believe it was and is the word of God (Jesus) therefore what ever is in it Jesus said. The bible ergo Jesus says homosexuality is a sin.

And God is cool beans with slavery.

dalehitchy1 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:04

Hikari Kisugi said:
Do you eat pork? Or anything with pork products?

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Let me expand, or duck, or crab, or that which does not swim wholly in the sea, or walk wholly on the land?
Do you keep a dog?
What is your clothing made of?

was just about to post about the clothing bit

Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."

RDM · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:04

vincent1989 said:
If you believe the bible then you believe it was and is the word of God (Jesus) therefore what ever is in it Jesus said. The bible ergo Jesus says homosexuality is a sin.

That's a fairly radical interpretation of the Bible and the Trinity.

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:05

RDM said:
Because the thread is about homosexuality?
Not to mention extra marital sex is a choice, homosexuality not so much.

You didn't really answer the questions though.

Why is pre marital sex any different to homosexuality? If you believe men can be hardwired to have sex with men then also you should believe men are hardwired to have sex with women? How is that a choice?

My particular views are not the subject of this thread either, I'm just saying you can't possibly actually read the bible, either NT or OT and believe that God thinks homosexuality is anything other than a sin.

Tosno · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:06

RDM said:
That's a fairly radical interpretation of the Bible and the Trinity.

Not at all,

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:06

Woden said:
And God is cool beans with slavery.

I'm not arguing that the bible is right. But that is what it says.

dalehitchy1 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:07

vincent1989 said:
Why is pre marital sex any different to homosexuality? If you believe men can be hardwired to have sex with men then also you should believe men are hardwired to have sex with women? How is that a choice?

My particular views are not the subject of this thread either, I'm just saying you can't possibly actually read the bible, either NT or OT and believe that God thinks homosexuality is anything other than a sin.

At what age did you choose to be straight? Do you think you could ever choose to find a man attractive?

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:07

RDM said:
That's a fairly radical interpretation of the Bible and the Trinity.

I think that's been the interpretation for pretty much the whole of Christianity's existence...

dalehitchy1 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:07

vincent1989 said:
I'm not arguing that the bible is right. But that is what it says.

wait........ you know its not right but you follow it anyway?

Pudney · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:09

vincent1989 said:
Wrong, the crucifixion and redirection replaced the mosiac law, the mosiac law is not the whole of the OT And also the act of homosexuality is specifically mentioned as a sin post the crucifixion and resurrection regardless.

Haha, in fairness I read the first couple of lines in your post and it annoyed me as it's clearly wrong (the OT is not on equal footing to the NT). Didn't see the bit which was important to the clarification

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:09

dalehitchy1 said:
At what age did you choose to be straight? Do you think you could ever choose to find a man attractive?

That is not what is being debated, we seem to be discussing whether God considers homosexuality a sin, the bible would say yes. I'm not arguing whether the bible is right or whether it is a choice or not.

I'm saying that the bible clearly lists it as a sin pre and post atonement and if the bible is the word of God then homosexuality is a sin.

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:11

dalehitchy1 said:
wait........ you know its not right but you follow it anyway?

Who said I follow it? I'm just saying what it says.

Pudney · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:12

vincent1989 said:
I think that's been the interpretation for pretty much the whole of Christianity's existence...

I want to disagree here too but checking now

vincent1989 · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:12

Pudney said:
I want to disagree here too but checking now

The Trinity? Yeah it's pretty mainstream.

Knock yourself out:
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Jesus-is-God/

Destination · 25 Oct 2016 at 20:13

Tosno said:
Not at all,

Right, so you answer

Do you eat pork? Or anything with pork products?
or duck, or crab, or that which does not swim wholly in the sea, or walk wholly on the land?
Do you keep a dog?
What is your clothing made of?