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The GPU war is over.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
He goes on about how Vega is being released next year since AMD is focusing on other areas now.

However,apparently Hynix only started HBM2 mass production at the very end of Q3 this year:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10527/sk-hynix-adds-hbm2-4-gb-memory-q3
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Well it seemed Hynix still not started HBM2 mass production yet.

Googled "hynix databook Q3 2016 HBM2" on google.com and you will see first link with pdf said 4GB 256GB/s HBM2 part number H5VR32ESM4H-20C and 4GB 204GB/s HBM2 part number H5VR32ESM4H-12C have availability in Q3 2016.

But if you googled "hynix databook Q4 2016 HBM2" on google.com and you will see third link with pdf, you will noticed 4GB 204GB/s HBM2 part number H5VR32ESM4H-12C was dropped and 4GB 256GB/s HBM2 memory part number H5VR32ESM4H-20C availability now changed to TBD.

We are at the end of Q4 tomorrow so look like Hynix may have bigger problems with HBM2 than they had with HBM1. If we wait until Jan 2017 to read Hynix Q1 2017 databook only to find HBM2 still have no availability then AMD will probably have no choice but to delay Vega 10 launch further into H2 2017 that would see Vega launch just months away too close to Volta launch in early 2018.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
He was saying six months ago,Nvidia was doomed in the next few years due to the "AMD master plan"
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Ha, so it's that same guy?

What a joke.

Hilarious that I still hear his arguments being echoed by a few people on here when it comes to AMD and the dual GPU's and all that nonsense that was obviously total hogwash.
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
Well it seemed Hynix still not started HBM2 mass production yet.

Googled "hynix databook Q3 2016 HBM2" on google.com and you will see first link with pdf said 4GB 256GB/s HBM2 part number H5VR32ESM4H-20C and 4GB 204GB/s HBM2 part number H5VR32ESM4H-12C have availability in Q3 2016.

But if you googled "hynix databook Q4 2016 HBM2" on google.com and you will see third link with pdf, you will noticed 4GB 204GB/s HBM2 part number H5VR32ESM4H-12C was dropped and 4GB 256GB/s HBM2 memory part number H5VR32ESM4H-20C availability now changed to TBD.

We are at the end of Q4 tomorrow so look like Hynix may have bigger problems with HBM2 than they had with HBM1. If we wait until Jan 2017 to read Hynix Q1 2017 databook only to find HBM2 still have no availability then AMD will probably have no choice but to delay Vega 10 launch further into H2 2017 that would see Vega launch just months away too close to Volta launch in early 2018.
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Its why I hope the smaller Vega chip is GDDR5,since AMD relying on HBM2 for both would no doubt increase cost anyway,even if HBM2 was available now.

Seanspeed said:
Ha, so it's that same guy?

What a joke.

Hilarious that I still hear his arguments being echoed by a few people on here when it comes to AMD and the dual GPU's and all that nonsense that was obviously total hogwash.
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Thats the thing - first he says Nvidia is doomed and now AMD is doomed,etc.

He should make his mind up - thats only in the last six months.

Even if his master plan ideas were to happen it would take years and not months - its like he has got fed up of waiting already after six months!! :p
 
Dicehunter said:
I hope Vega can inject some serious competition into the market, Nvidia need their butts handing to them.
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thats the whole point of the video which many people commenting here and instantly blaming amd or defending nvidia or blaming nvidia dont get

amd can do what they want they can bring out a card that is 30% faster still only enthusiast people and people that inform themselves will buy them which is still a minority

the mindshare is and was always nvidia and thats why amd is dying

perfect example is twitch chat a big or one of the biggest gaming communities out there

if you only mention amd in a gaming or pc hardware debate it gets shamed to death because nvidia and intel are the only options for most of them

you can see that anytime you want in any big stream or on any big gaming site
 
It might be an unpopular view but in my opinion AMD just need a faster architecture. Now what I mean by that is take a look over the last few generations, the AMD card has nearly always been a bigger chip, with a faster memory bus, but ended up a bit slower than the competition. Even with Polaris the RX480 is a bigger chip with a bigger memory bus and yet overall it is still slower than the competing 1060.
Maybe Vega will be just what AMD need to overtake NVidia and then it can be down to how it is all marketed, which of course is a whole other ball game.
 
Dicehunter said:
I hope Vega can inject some serious competition into the market, Nvidia need their butts handing to them.
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Even if AMD new Vega GPU was faster I would still be buying or sticking with a NVidia GPU due to having a G-Sync monitor....:)

AMD would have to do something unreal to try get me to go and splash out another £900 to buy a Free-sync monitor
 
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bru said:
It might be an unpopular view but in my opinion AMD just need a faster architecture. Now what I mean by that is take a look over the last few generations, the AMD card has nearly always been a bigger chip, with a faster memory bus, but ended up a bit slower than the competition. Even with Polaris the RX480 is a bigger chip with a bigger memory bus and yet overall it is still slower than the competing 1060.
Maybe Vega will be just what AMD need to overtake NVidia and then it can be down to how it is all marketed, which of course is a whole other ball game.
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if you would have watched the video you would have seen that what is actually the case right now exactly what you are saying was what amd had with the 4000 5000 and 6000 series of cards nvidia had way bigger chips with higher power consumption and they were still slower or just 5% faster for much more money and still most people bought nvidia cards and amd sold nothing

so whats the point for amd to do it again and loose it again thats what the whole video is about
 
chaparral said:
Even if AMD new Vega GPU was faster I would still be buying or sticking with a NVidia GPU due to having a G-Sync monitor....:)

AMD would have to do something unreal to try get me to go and splash out another £900 to buy a Free-sync monitor
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More FPS = better gaming experience tbh. I know from experience, testing with my Gsync and Freesync monitors.

To clarify, 120FPS on a 144Hz monitor without Free/Gsync is much better than 60 or 70 fps on a Free/Gsync monitor, IMO at least.

Though that's assuming Vega is faster :D
 
I think you are underestimating experience with these brands. Ati of 8 years ago had diabolical drivers and people that got burned back then would never go back.
 
Gregster said:




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Don't worry greg, AMD will soon be in the ground. NVIDIA will be the only entry on those benchmarking results for future games, as there'll be no new AMD cards ;)

It won't take long, as the video points out, NVIDIA make more profit in 3 months than AMD make in 3 years. They'll be gone in the next few years.

The reason? Misinformed silly folk buying green, even when red was superior (many years ago, as in the video).
 
22nd Sep 2016, 20:36
Final8y said:
TXP performance is high end and competing with it first or last makes no difference in regards in how much market share it will gain AMD, that amount of cards AMD sell at the price bracket is insignificant so gaining market share should not even be mentioned in regards to it.

Price to performance only mattered to people who only care about price to performance and nothing else and in the enthusiasts bracket that is not the case.

For example the average person who is willing to drop a more than average amount on a car is not going buy a Car with Skoda on the grill even if it was slightly faster than all the other cars in that price range, they just don't have the brand image to get many people to buy it and yes a one off was made which was really a Audi R8 remodeled.

The higher you go up the price bracket the more the brand image matters.

AMD has to sort out its.
Brand image and Marketing which is light years behind Intel and NV, many don't want to drop large sums on a lesser image brand.

Get rid of the Driver stigma which is still perpetuated with no matter how bad NV drivers may be to an individual, the individual said "Im going AMD" and the reply was "don't go AMD there drivers are even worse".

Then you have PhySX, G Sync, Shadowplay ect... many swear blind all theses are worth paying more for then AMD equivalents even if the GPU they have bought is bad in price to performance to the nearest AMD card.
The Rx 470 vs titan 6gb thread, the power of Brand image and status right there when it comes to the Titan recommendations https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18750268.

When AMD gets that all sorted then they can make worthwhile in inroads at the higher end price bracket.

Getting people to changed brand when they have been loyal to another for many years is can be extremely difficult unless the other brand screws up big.

Get the new people who have yet to become loyal and thats starts at the cheaper end but that still requires good marketing at the very least because even an inferior product with the right marketing can out sell the other as people dont do enough independent research and the superior marketing is all they know hence why when i was getting ready to build my first PC all the enthusiasts i personally knew told me to get a P4 and a NV card but i did my research online first, AMD had the better performance and ATi had the better image quality at the time in desktop and gaming after reading a lot of reviews.

So AMD cards in the £450 and up will hardly make a dent when it comes to market share until they tackle what i have mentioned or unless they have something really special and the biggest thing that is helping AMD at the moment is Dx12 and Vulcan and arguably the Console connection and the drivers stigma is starting to subside slowly.
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=30034263&postcount=692

23rd Sep 2016, 19:14
Final8y said:
No i don't underestimate how much of a benefit doing well at the high end has NV is right there showing us how much it benefits them and thats the thing, AMD don't do well at the high end against NV which history has shown us time and time again and you cant have all the perception and brand image and execution issues which AMD has and just release a high end card and do well against the competition and that's why AMD is trying a different strategy this time.
AMD themselves said that they want to get rid of been seen as the budget brand and that's because there high end cards don't sell enough compared to NV, so lower the price to sell more.

But now there is a doubled edged sword in order to not been seen as the budget brand you have to charge more or nearly equal to the competition and many people who can afford to buy in that price range will buy the more expensive Brand just because it more expensive because it cost more it must be better, so AMD has tried to charge more for there high end cards, but there Legacy means that cant benefit yet from it.
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=30037312&postcount=724
 
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One thing that did make me laugh in the video was the guy said "Enthusiasts are the people who buy the faster and cheaper card". :D
 
Gregster said:
One thing that did make me laugh in the video was the guy said "Enthusiasts are the people who buy the faster and cheaper card". :D
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That's what we do no? Unless we are fan boys? I bought the 390x instead of the 970 or 980 because it was faster and cheaper. And I did my research to find that out.
 
Dave2150 said:
The reason? Misinformed silly folk buying green, even when red was superior (many years ago, as in the video).
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Why do people believe too much in a single score in a benchmark? To me that's misinformed. Do not discount those who have years of experience buying products from both companies - those are the ones who are really informed,not those who look at some daft single score on a website obtained from an unrealistic benchmarking tool.

There's a lot more to a graphics card than it's benchmark performance.
To me, those who are new to graphics cards and only look on website for benchmarks are misinformed :). People these days believe too much what they read or hear, that's why the world has brexit and trump :)

Or if you really want to be informed buy products from both companies and compare in real life scenario's. That's the only way to be sure .......

As an example, I bought a Gtx 260 216core before and the difference between it and the AMD card I owned was much more than the benchmark scores online suggested. The AMD card gave jerky, stuttering in some of the games I was playing, the Nvidia card was so much smoother, hence evidence benchmark scores are not the be all and end all of performance......and then there's the additional software to consider too.

When AMD release a top end performer that doesn't have gimmicky features to help it sell I'll likely give one a try again and compare to the competition
 
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