Shots fired outside parliament - Please refrain from speculative and antagonistic posts

[muon]

Vile suggestion? Well Ze Germans are taking the approach i mentioned in my previous post,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...o-terror-suspects-born-country-life-long-ban/

"Germany is set to deport two terror suspects, despite both being born in the country but whose parents are foreigners - the first case of its kind in German history."

It doesnt seem vile to them.

Did you even read the article? They are not German citizens. Also look at the evidence against them. Fortunately in the UK having an automatic rifle is illegal and so they would be convicted.

Citizenship by place of birth only came in 2000 for Germany. In the UK it has applied for longer.

 

[asim18]

To be fair, religious extremism is a mental illness. No sane person would do what these people do.

Got a source for that? Just because someone does something you wouldn't doesn't mean they are ill

Umm yes, darg is absolutely right. I have psychoanalysed MANY religious people.

To believe in religion itself is evidence of some form of mental incapacity. Whether it's indoctrinated during childhood, or whether it entices people in adulthood, there is no rational excuse for religion.

That's just non-violent people though, when you believe you're going to end up in heaven with 70 or whatever virgins on your **** by murdering an innocent police officer, there is something FAR worse wrong with their mind.

 

[Dis86]

Umm yes. I have psychoanalysed MANY religious people.

To believe in religion itself is evidence of some form of mental incapacity. Whether it's indoctrinated during childhood, or whether it entices people in adulthood, there is no rational excuse for religion.

You're not a source.

 

[asim18]

You're not a source.

Ummm. The subjects of my analyses are sources to me. Primary.

This is the difference between you and me Dis, especially when it comes to psychology, and fields which I understand better than some news website lol. I do my own research.

 

[Dis86]

Ummm. The subjects of my analyses are sources to me. Primary.

This is the difference between you and me Dis, especially when it comes to psychology, and fields which I understand better than some news website lol. I do my own research.

No no. You don't quite understand
Your opinions are worthless.

 

[asim18]

No no. You don't quite understand
Your opinions are worthless.

That's because my research is far more advanced and goes much deeper than basic questions like whether religion is a mind problem.


Have you read a wonderful book called "The God Delusion".

And do you understand what a "delusion" is??? I'll give you a hint, It's to do with psychology and mentality.

That's your answer as well as your "source" (lol). Now go read, and more importantly, understand, the book.

Your opinions are worthless.

Hahahaha. In absolute stitches. My opinions are worth a lot to DOCTORS of this field and here we have Dis86 from the internet telling me something about my opinion. Absolutely laughable from my perspective/high horse.

 

[Hotwired]

Any second now they'll break out the your mom insults

 

[Orionaut]

Umm yes, darg is absolutely right. I have psychoanalysed MANY religious people.

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Does that mean you have psychoanalysed a lot of crazy people who also happen to be religious?

 

[Yas786]

Got a source for that? Just because someone does something you wouldn't doesn't mean they are ill

To be fair any heinous crime or attack that is done by someone or a group of individuals, whether it be religiously motivated or political is pretty insane/ill in the head.

No normal sane person would even think to commit such acts. I suppose their upbringing could have something to do with it.

But they are mentally insane/ill. That much is pretty certain.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Umm yes, darg is absolutely right. I have psychoanalysed MANY religious people.

Was that in your capacity as a professional psychoanalyst? Or as an internet balls talker?

 

[Jokester]

You only to have look at the Stanford experiment to realise that pretty much anyone can do pretty horrific things without being mentally ill.

 

[Dis86]

Was that in your capacity as a professional psychoanalyst? Or as an internet balls talker?

This guy gets it.

 

[Vonhelmet]

You only to have look at the Stanford experiment to realise that pretty much anyone can do pretty horrific things without being mentally ill.

Which was Stanford? Milgram and Zimbardo spring to mind. I've a feeling Stanford and Zimbardo may be the same one.

Edit: yes, they are. Zimbardo was the psychologist, Stanford was the university.

 

[Amp34]

Japanese internment camps was one of the most shocking things the USA did during the war. 100,000s of Japanese, Italians and Germans interned, most natively born, some even faught for the USA in WW1 and they had all their assets seized and lived in POW camps where guards were allowed to shot them without any comeback for just disobeying orders.

You really advocating that we do the same because there is a "precedent"? You really are a hateful person aren't you?

The surviving internment victims were also given $20k each during the 80's as compensation for the their internment.

I'm also intrigued as to who Chris thinks should be interned, muslims? People of Arabic descent? People of middle eastern origins? Non British (for at least x generations)? Or all of the above?

Chris isn't the brightest bulb in the bunch so he probably hasn't thought that through.

It's also pretty extreme for such a minor threat (three attacks in 15 years - they need to take some training from the IRA I think). We are living in a time of relative peace, far more so than before 2000, yet there are way too many people that take unfortunate (and sad) isolated incidents and extrapolate beyond compare.

 

[Amp34]

Yeah, I mean I'm not against providing details per se, it's more keeping things 'on the ground' to the people who need to know, I myself think it's good to know the details. However, unfortunately due to the way things are now - the reporting itself makes things worse and an attack more likely.

Knowing things is an interesting thing, I get the impression that we've been conditioned into really believing that we "need to know everything" immediately, as it happens, on iPhone, iPad, android, bbc, sky, cnn, Facebook, all at once - it's almost as though this has become the norm, as though it's some sort of expected baseline, and the moment someone says "This might be making things worse" you could end up with a backlash, because people like having access to everything, whether it helps them or not.

But yeah... I doubt much will change, it'll probably just get worse,

Organisations should report, but not in the hysterical amount of detail they do now. Just looking on the BBC website at the moment, most of the main stories are related to the incident yesterday. Do we really need that much gumph on it? report the incident, then report the updates in new stories when they come out in a few days. No need for pages and pages of the stuff, all that does is help "glorify" the incident.

That's the problem with 24 hour news and media organisations trying to outcompete each other I guess.

 

[Amp34]

My very first post was:



Take a look at that list. Notice what they are which is Islamist Terrorists? And all on watch lists, hence why i said DRASTIC measures and deport them all.

Where do i say anything about temporary deportations??

Out of interest should your deportation/locking up scheme for those "known to the police" only be related to political/terrorist related incidents? What about gangsters and burglars, people that have been suspected of sexual and physical assault? In fact anyone that may or may not have committed a crime? Why bother with judges, juries and trials if we can just process people on suspicion of something (with little to no evidence)?

Why create such a draconian system for a small part (and very minor day to day threat) when at the very least if we are going to destroy a fundamental part of our culture and justice system we should be aiming at those threats that are far greater.

 

[Dis86]

It's also pretty extreme for such a minor threat (three attacks in 15 years - they need to take some training from the IRA I think). We are living in a time of relative peace, far more so than before 2000, yet there are way too many people that take unfortunate (and sad) isolated incidents and extrapolate beyond compare.

3 successful attacks. A large number have been thwarted. Also you think they need training from the IRA? You want more successful attacks? WTF?

 

[Amp34]

Can't stop people becoming mentally ill. Can stop islamics

Out of interest what is your solution to stopping Islamic extremists? I'm sure the government would like to know.

Got a source for that? Just because someone does something you wouldn't doesn't mean they are ill

Agreed. Just because someone does something you don't agree with doesn't mean you're mentally ill. Are all murderers mentally ill? And in a related way were the air force crews dropping bombs on European cities during WW2 all mentally ill? Are soldiers mentally ill? Or are only soldiers that only kill in "self defence" armed personnel the only non mentally ill people, whereas soldiers in some civil wars in Africa that end up raping and killing the civilian populous are mentally ill?

There are plenty of people that commit terror attacks (and other attacks) that were/may well have been mentally ill, but that doesn't mean every one, or perhaps even most, are mentally ill. Some people that kill may be mentally ill, some people may just be downright nasty, some people may be desperate and some people will be doing it because they truly believe they are doing the "right" thing.

Unfortunately the "mentally ill" tag is now being used as a way of accusing governments of "coverups" when someone that is actually mentally ill does something. No reason to give those people even more ammunition.

 

[John40]

A 75 yr old man who was in hospital following the attack on the bridge has now sadly died also.

 

[McBain]