Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

[scorza]

Sigh, I thought the discussion was going too well

You can't make a statement like "we got almost nothing but benefit from the EU" and expect it not to be challenged. Apologies if challenging your view of the world hurts your feelings.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Oh look, May hints at US trade deal for the NHS.....ITS AS IF THIS WAS PREDICTABLE OR SOMETHING?? wake up guys, frankly everything iv been saying is slowly going to come true, because its so obvious, its as obvious as mavity, its what astounds me of these comments on this board, people are being wilfully ignorant.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html

It might have to happen if we can't easily get our doctors and nurses from the EU in the future. And there is **** all incentive for Brits to study to plug these holes.

 

[Rilot]

like what? having to contribute £billions to the EU budget every year, loss of sovereignty, under-representation in European politics, population increasing by a city the size of Coventry every year. I'm struggling to think of a single good thing EU membership has brought for the UK.

Let's break this one down:

Contribute billions to the EU budget: Yes, we do in exchange for tariff-free access to the entire EU market. We also get a lot of that back in subsidies.
Loss of sovereignty: Please provide an example of where having full control over ALL laws would be better for the UK.
Under-representation in European politics: And leaving the EU will solve this how? We will have no representation at all.
Population increasing: We have some of the lowest unemployment in the whole EU. That says to me that the immigration is required. If there was now work here then they wouldn't come.

 

[Slam62]

Oh look, May hints at US trade deal for the NHS.....ITS AS IF THIS WAS PREDICTABLE OR SOMETHING?? wake up guys, frankly everything iv been saying is slowly going to come true, because its so obvious, its as obvious as mavity, its what astounds me of these comments on this board, people are being wilfully ignorant.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html

Yeah but that is from the independent...

In 2010 we had a couple of union activists telling us to vote labour as that was the only way to ensure TTIP didn't happen, well i didn't and it didn't.
But the Tories are the nasty party and need to prove otherwise.

 

[Hades]

It might have to happen if we can't easily get our doctors and nurses from the EU in the future. And there is **** all incentive for Brits to study to plug these holes.

How is a trade deal going to affect where our doctors and nurses come from (also most seem to come from Asia rather than the EU)?

 

[Vonhelmet]

~180,000 in 2015, population of Coventry in 2015 was 342,525.

That's because they all went to Coventry

 

[Vonhelmet]

like what? having to contribute £billions to the EU budget every year, loss of sovereignty, under-representation in European politics, population increasing by a city the size of Coventry every year. I'm struggling to think of a single good thing EU membership has brought for the UK.

Hang on, isn't this the start of a monty python routine?

 

[bloodiedathame]

How is a trade deal going to affect where our doctors and nurses come from (also most seem to come from Asia rather than the EU)?

It's not far fetched to think that if some part of NHS service was sold to an American company, it might be possible that American doctors are also part of that deal.

 

[DrToffnar]

You can't make a statement like "we got almost nothing but benefit from the EU" and expect it not to be challenged. Apologies if challenging your view of the world hurts your feelings.

Agreed, but saying you can't think of a single benefit is equally blinkered.

A complete lack of any middle ground is why we're in this mess in the first place. All over this forum you espouse these often single minded opinions (most of the time with very little factual evidence to back them up) and refuse to make any concessions or compromises with anyone unless they share your views. I'm not saying it's specific to you either. Some of the more, shall we say 'liberal' members here do exactly the same thing.

It's boring and it adds very little to the discussion.

 

[scorza]

Depends on your definition of a benefit doesn't it? If you were a factory worker whose factory has moved east, or a warehouse man who can't get a job in Stoke because he can't speak Polish, I doubt you'd see too many benefits of the single market.

 

[DrToffnar]

Lol

Pointless.

 

[delta0]

Interesting interview on sky news earlier with the Icelandic foreign minister talking about EFTA.

 

[Azza]

Corbyn confirms a Labour government will end zero hour contracts.

 

[jimjamuk]

Corbyn confirms a Labour government will end zero hour contracts.

You can bet all those on a zero hours contract now who maybe love or hate them will be wondering if they will have a job now if JC wins - sure a lot may convert into PT jobs but some will just dissapear. He probably needed to word that as tighten up the rules on Z0 contracts rather than end them........

 

[ubersonic]

Corbyn confirms a Labour government will end zero hour contracts.

Well thats a great way to give your opponents a million votes, retard.

 

[do_ron_ron]

I respectfully disagree, current far-left movement don't care at all about larger labour pools - they even think immigration should be increased. I agree that's bizarre and makes no sense at all for a movement supposedly representing working people to support something that's inevitably going to reduce pay and conditions for working people but these are the times we live in. The reason Corbyn and his comrades don't like the EU is because of European competition laws that force privatisation of public assets.

Wrong again. You are right in the far left dislike the EU but that is because they see it as a bosses club and therefore anti-worker. The Labour party contains about half a dozen far left MPs, certainly far fewer than the Tories far right MPs. European laws do not force privatisation of public assets. Where did you get that one from - the usual Mule.

 

[Azza]

You can bet all those on a zero hours contract now who maybe love or hate them will be wondering if they will have a job now if JC wins - sure a lot may convert into PT jobs but some will just dissapear. He probably needed to word that as tighten up the rules on Z0 contracts rather than end them........

I imagine companies could just offer a guaranteed 1 hour per month then the rest as 'flexible working hours' or something like that if he were to 'ban' them.

As you say better to tighten up the contracts and the terms of employment that go with them.

 

[Hades]

It's not far fetched to think that if some part of NHS service was sold to an American company, it might be possible that American doctors are also part of that deal.

That doesn't make sense. Even if a US company ran part of the NHS they would look to provide staff at the cheapest rate. US staff are expensive. They would still continue to source people from Asia, Eastern EU, Africa or Latin America.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Depends on your definition of a benefit doesn't it? If you were a factory worker whose factory has moved east, or a warehouse man who can't get a job in Stoke because he can't speak Polish, I doubt you'd see too many benefits of the single market.

Factories moving to other parts of the world never happened before we joined the EU?

 

[scorza]

That doesn't make sense. Even if a US company ran part of the NHS they would look to provide staff at the cheapest rate. US staff are expensive. They would still continue to source people from Asia, Eastern EU, Africa or Latin America.

All it will mean in reality is that US companies will be able to bid to run NHS services under the same arrangements that European or Tax Haven companies operate under, it'll still be the same over-stretched and underpaid NHS staff doing the work without the resources they need.