Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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satchef1 said:
Anyone else in the weird position of being ideologically opposed to the Tories, yet feeling like they're the only party with enough breadth over the EU issue to make the right calls?

It's kind of frustrating. Domestically, I think the Tories are starting to make a bit of a hash of things. Yet I think Labour, in their current form, would be worse. It's not the policies so much as the people; they don't inspire confidence. I've always been ideologically aligned with the Lib Dems, but their position on negotiations has me concerned. The EU know what the LD want, and I fully expect they'd make it difficult to attain, knowing all too well how hard it would be for the Lib Dems to walk away from the table. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd walk out of any potential coalition before they'd walk away from the EU. I find that worrisome.
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I believe even the hardened working class Labour voters are realising that the Conservatives are the only party that can deliver on Brexit. It will be interesting to see how much share of the vote the Tories get in places like Doncaster and Hull which are traditional Labour heartlands. I would be shocked if they started winning seats up there (Labour majorities tend to be huge in the cities) but it wouldn't surprise me if those safe seats became marginals.
 
But in order for the Conservatives to deliver on Brexit, we're expected to create a one-party state, where the party in power are completely self-serving and odious.

I see nothing but doom and gloom for decades thanks to the Tories. They created this mess by using the EU referendum for political infighting. They cocked that up and now want us to give them an even bigger mandate to break the country even more. What a completely depressing state of affairs.

None of the clowns in ANY of the current political parties are capable of leading this country effectively.
 
satchef1 said:
Anyone else in the weird position of being ideologically opposed to the Tories, yet feeling like they're the only party with enough breadth over the EU issue to make the right calls? It's not about "Hard Brexit" or "Soft Brexit" or any other type of Brexit; it's about being able to shift position depending on the success or failure of the negotiations.

It's kind of frustrating. Domestically, I think the Tories are starting to make a bit of a hash of things. Yet I think Labour, in their current form, would be worse. It's not the policies with Labour so much as the people; they don't inspire confidence. I've always been ideologically aligned with the Lib Dems, but their position on negotiations has me concerned. The EU know what the LD want, and I fully expect they'd make it difficult to attain, knowing all too well how hard it would be for the Lib Dems to walk away from the table. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd walk out of any potential coalition before they'd walk away from the EU. I find that worrisome.

I'm expecting a larger Tory majority from this election. I also expect it'll be the last successive Tory government; Brexit is going to be a mess. The Tories are going to come out of the process tired. If it weren't for Brexit and the distraction it provides, I wouldn't be confident in their ability to win this election despite a divided Labour Party with an unpopular leader. They've made too many unpopular domestic policy decisions, and appear to have no good answers on traditional election hot topics like the NHS and education.
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The most sensible thing I've seen posted yet. Could not agree more!

My head says Tory but my heart says something else. Mays authoritarian strategy and weird obsession with privacy disgusts me and I simply cannot get on board with her party being in power for the next 5 years, mostly unchallenged. But alas...

I voted remain but Brexit is happening and I've accepted that. But negotiations done by an unchained Tory government? Nahhh. However I also think that would be preferable to parliamentary infighting brought about by a more balanced political electorate.

Sighhhhhh. Got a lot of reading to do before June.
 
I think an argument for an OcUK political party is growing. Maybe drop the UK incase it gives the wrong impression.

Perhaps bring back Theopany and LaFemme for honorary roles? :D
 
I'm a bit unsure as to why we as a Nation are so obsessed with the idea of a 'strong leader'. We don't need someone to lead us, we need someone who can fight for causes important to our society, someone progressive and who can listen, and someone who can change the world on our behalf. A leader is someone who makes decisions for us, commands us and steers us. None of which are progressive attributes. And we can't function as humans without giving concern to the future, being progressive.
 
If I had to choose, I'd prefer the Lib Dems in charge of Brexit rather than the Tories. Unfortunately that's never going to happen.
 
bloodiedathame said:
I'm a bit unsure as to why we as a Nation are so obsessed with the idea of a 'strong leader'. We don't need someone to lead us, we need someone who can fight for causes important to our society, someone progressive and who can listen, and someone who can change the world on our behalf. A leader is someone who makes decisions for us, commands us and steers us. None of which are progressive attributes. And we can't function as humans without giving concern to the future, being progressive.
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this strong leader ideal is the same crap that allowed hitler/stalin/trump to power

i just cant understand why anyone is voting conservative. So much of the nhs has already been sold off to their friends. These for profit outfits running services in the nhs, siphoning off public money. Virgin and serco are just a few
 
bloodiedathame said:
I'm a bit unsure as to why we as a Nation are so obsessed with the idea of a 'strong leader'. We don't need someone to lead us, we need someone who can fight for causes important to our society, someone progressive and who can listen, and someone who can change the world on our behalf. A leader is someone who makes decisions for us, commands us and steers us. None of which are progressive attributes. And we can't function as humans without giving concern to the future, being progressive.
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Erm... you just described a strong leader.
 
bloodiedathame said:
I'm a bit unsure as to why we as a Nation are so obsessed with the idea of a 'strong leader'. We don't need someone to lead us, we need someone who can fight for causes important to our society, someone progressive and who can listen, and someone who can change the world on our behalf. A leader is someone who makes decisions for us, commands us and steers us. None of which are progressive attributes. And we can't function as humans without giving concern to the future, being progressive.
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Surely we need a party that will fight for causes important to our society, etc. Headed up by a strong leader.

Otherwise you end up with whatever Labour is nowadays. I struggle to call them a party currently.
 
Evangelion said:
If I had to choose, I'd prefer the Lib Dems in charge of Brexit rather than the Tories. Unfortunately that's never going to happen.
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The Lib Dems shoulder some of the responsibility for taking us here. Had they not been a Tory lapdog in the coalition, then they may have done enough to extend that coalition after the last election. Alas, Nick Clegg couldn't help but renage on every promise he made in spectactular fashion, and in doing so cleared the path for the countries annihilation at the hands of the Tories.

I would suggest that a common house brick would be more successful in negotiating the Brexit terms than any one currently elected politician or party. They are all 100% cretins.
 
satchef1 said:
True, to an extent. But many feel the EU has been the source of a minority of their problems over a long period of time. It's certainly not the most significant problem we have, but resentment has festered over time. Where we get regular opportunities to display our dismay at the government of the day, last year was the first opportunity people have had to really vent their frustration at the EU. Pro Remain or pro Leave, it's difficult to argue we don't get the short end of the straw within the EU. The debate has largely been over whether that's a bad enough situation to see us walking away.
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Its not difficult to argue, we have had almost nothing but benefit from being in the EU.
 
chroniclard said:
Its not difficult to argue, we have had almost nothing but benefit from being in the EU.
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:confused: like what? having to contribute £billions to the EU budget every year, loss of sovereignty, under-representation in European politics, population increasing by a city the size of Coventry every year. I'm struggling to think of a single good thing EU membership has brought for the UK.
 
scorza said:
:confused: like what? having to contribute £billions to the EU budget every year, loss of sovereignty, under-representation in European politics, population increasing by a city the size of Coventry every year. I'm struggling to think of a single good thing EU membership has brought for the UK.
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Sigh, I thought the discussion was going too well

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scorza said:
:confused: like what? having to contribute £billions to the EU budget every year, loss of sovereignty, under-representation in European politics, population increasing by a city the size of Coventry every year. I'm struggling to think of a single good thing EU membership has brought for the UK.
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you're delusional if you think there was no benefit to the UK for being in the EU. cmon.
 
Gabbatek said:
this strong leader ideal is the same crap that allowed hitler/stalin/trump to power

i just cant understand why anyone is voting conservative. So much of the nhs has already been sold off to their friends. These for profit outfits running services in the nhs, siphoning off public money. Virgin and serco are just a few
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I'm sure someone pointed out to you already that the amount of the NHS privatisation isnt that much and hasnt increased under the last two governments that much either.


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Hellsmk2 said:
The Lib Dems shoulder some of the responsibility for taking us here. Had they not been a Tory lapdog in the coalition, then they may have done enough to extend that coalition after the last election. Alas, Nick Clegg couldn't help but renage on every promise he made in spectactular fashion, and in doing so cleared the path for the countries annihilation at the hands of the Tories.

I would suggest that a common house brick would be more successful in negotiating the Brexit terms than any one currently elected politician or party. They are all 100% cretins.
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I agree with this, labour are also to blame for being so self indulgent.

It's very difficult to have any trust in politicians, however this does give May a chance to scrap the bullingdon boys policies.
I also think there is a chance of a major correction following the election rather than the constant government backed scams.

Time will tell, i certainly wouldn't trust Corbyn or Farron to do anything useful.
 
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