Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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B@Th*nG said:
if you look at the voting figures the Murdoch controlled media is far more of an issue than facebook news! the young are not the problem here, other than not enough of them bother to vote.

The temerity to suggest "the old" make the correct economic decisions as well.. just look at Brexit. There's a popularist vote if ever there was on.

B@
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The Brexit vote just should one side was better at telling pork pies then the other. It also showed IMO that traditional media outlets can still be effective at swaying people's minds, I suspect people (more so older people) look at traditional media more credible then online media which is most unregulated.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The Brexit vote just should one side was better at telling pork pies then the other. It also showed IMO that traditional media outlets can still be effective at swaying people's minds, I suspect people (more so older people) look at traditional media more credible then online media which is most unregulated.
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Well there's another failing for Corbyn, what did he do to help that cause?

I'm pretty sure he was a remain, not 100% though!
 
ubersonic said:
They are almost entirely responsible for Labour getting lumbered with an unelectable candidate, and thus responsible for the incoming Tory landslide.
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Totally, that party voting was shambolic then the fact he could barely create a shadow cabinet with second choice members is farcical.
 
ubersonic said:
They are almost entirely responsible for Labour getting lumbered with an unelectable candidate, and thus responsible for the incoming Tory landslide.
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Well, you may just respond by saying i'm in a bubble, but everyone i knew in my circle who votes Tory or UKIP joined the labour party to vote Corbyn in because they knew he was a shower and was unelectable
 
robgmun said:
He openly said on a TV program he was about 70% remain
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I prefer this to someone who switched sides from remain to leave to bolster their career and now spouts guff like "Brexit means Brexit". It implies that Corbyn is enthusiastic/lukewarm/against different aspects of the EU. Better than doing the hokey cokey with Mother Theresa.
 
ubersonic said:
They are almost entirely responsible for Labour getting lumbered with an unelectable candidate, and thus responsible for the incoming Tory landslide.
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not because he's been systematically pulled to pieces by the right-wing media then? god forbid we actually get someone in power who is determined to actually do what's best for people

B@
 
Genuinely think this country is sleep walking into a massive crisis at the moment, No one is capable of thinking for themselves anymore.
 
Eliot said:
Genuinely think this country is sleep walking into a massive crisis at the moment, No one is capable of thinking for themselves anymore.
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agreed! It's quite scary to be fair.

I wonder how it's all going to pan out! interesting times ahead for sure.

probably the biggest changes this country has experienced in many years which I'm sure will costs us(normals) loads.
 
do_ron_ron said:
For two hundred plus years English MPs were able to vote on purely Scottish matters and not a chirp but let the reverse be true and it is "how insane".
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The reverse has always been true. So, to use your phrasing - for two hundred plus years Scottish MPs were able to vote on purely English matters and not a chirp but let the reverse be true and it is "how unfair".

Of course, what's undeniably unfair is when MPs from one country can vote on matters solely affecting the other country but not vice versa. Which is what has been the case for a while and what a lot of pro-Scotland advocates want to continue to be the case because of course they want an unfair advantage. It gets them a lot more power and it suits their irrational nationalist prejudices (whether they're real or just a pretence to gain votes doesn't matter in this context).
 
Angilion said:
The reverse has always been true. So, to use your phrasing - for two hundred plus years Scottish MPs were able to vote on purely English matters and not a chirp but let the reverse be true and it is "how unfair".

Of course, what's undeniably unfair is when MPs from one country can vote on matters solely affecting the other country but not vice versa. Which is what has been the case for a while and what a lot of pro-Scotland advocates want to continue to be the case because of course they want an unfair advantage. It gets them a lot more power and it suits their irrational nationalist prejudices (whether they're real or just a pretence to gain votes doesn't matter in this context).
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That last part isn't completely true re: 'pro-Scottish advocates' wanting to vote on English issues - the SNP had a policy of not voting on English issues, Labour on the other hand was happy to use it's Scottish MPs and they're the pro unionist party.

the problem arises when some issues which at face value might be English only issues will have direct knock on effects on Scotland.

A federal system could alleviate this somewhat.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39723144

Seems like Labour aren't the only UK political party with a loony-left wing, as former Lib Dem MP Tom Ward is sacked from running as the LD candidate for Bradford East because of some controversial statements he made. A Corbyn-Farron "dream team" in charge of the country would be like Christmas Winterval come early for the likes of Dianne Abbott, Jess Phillips, Ken Livingstone.
 
dowie said:
That last part isn't completely true re: 'pro-Scottish advocates' wanting to vote on English issues - the SNP had a policy of not voting on English issues, Labour on the other hand was happy to use it's Scottish MPs and they're the pro unionist party.
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"had". Not "has". The past is past. And what's the SNP position on Scottish MPs being forbidden to vote on English matters, i.e. equality?

Of course a party that regards the union as one country would be fine with MPs from any part of the union voting on matters predominantly affecting other parts of the union - they regard the union as one country. That's an internally consistent position.

the problem arises when some issues which at face value might be English only issues will have direct knock on effects on Scotland.
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But not vice versa because reasons.

A federal system could alleviate this somewhat.
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There would always be an excuse for giving preferential treatment to Scotland, whatever system was used. Even if the union was dissolved there would have to be some sort of agreement and the same thing would still be happening.
 
B@Th*nG said:
not because he's been systematically pulled to pieces by the right-wing media then?
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It was the right wing media who got him elected in the first place.

When the leadership competition first started he was a nobody who was only added to the list to give the illusion of choice, then the right wing media inexplicably laid into him for no reason, ranting how he was super left and a terrible choice/etc. This caused young left wing voters to flock to the de facto enemy of the right and elect him with a rabid devotion that has persisted so much some of them actually believe he's going to win this election lol, when the reality is most likely to be the worst defeat since '83.

And I don't believe for one second that the right wing brought this all about by fluke accident, I called it at the time and I'm actually enjoying seeing it unfold lol.
 
Angilion said:
"had". Not "has". The past is past. And what's the SNP position on Scottish MPs being forbidden to vote on English matters, i.e. equality?

Of course a party that regards the union as one country would be fine with MPs from any part of the union voting on matters predominantly affecting other parts of the union - they regard the union as one country. That's an internally consistent position.
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They're objecting because some laws which are English only at face value actually have direct impact on Scotland.


But not vice versa because reasons.
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not vice versa because it simply doesn't work vice versa - the issues arise with things like funding decisions made in Westminster which are then mirrored in Scotland... That simply doesn't happen the other way around.


There would always be an excuse for giving preferential treatment to Scotland, whatever system was used. Even if the union was dissolved there would have to be some sort of agreement and the same thing would still be happening.
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if you have a federal system then not really...
 
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