Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting


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Oh btw, i like how Theresa specifically said "bloody difficult woman" rather than just bloody difficult, her colours are showing.

Also confused by this....would you prefer she said person? MP? Female?

Aside of that, i hope she is a pain and isnt bending over to EU demands.


If nothing is better then ****, so be it.
 
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The problem is you're largely barking up the wrong tree. You haven't followed your ideas through to conclusion, and as such are willfully ignorant of the flaws in your reasoning.

Limiting the birth rate to save a few quid on child benefit/tax credits might yield short term benefits. But long term it would be an utter disaster; it would accelerate the impending crisis caused by an aging population. It would lower productivity. And it would make us more reliant on immigration.

If the aim is to decrease the benefits bill (both in work and out of work) then income inequality needs to be addressed. Cameron and Osborne understood this, which is why they were open to adopting Lib Dem policies like lowering the tax-free threshold and introducing a much higher minimum wage. Unfortunately, they weren't wholly successful; the National Living Wage has given bottom-earners a ~4.5% YoY increase two years on the trot, but largely at the expense of salaried employees earning a little more than minimum wage, who have seen their pay stagnate (a real-terms fall). But it was a step in the right direction.

What ideas? I haven't had any ideas other than saying I don't see the point of something...

Your ideas however seem to be terrible. You're talking about continuing/increasing birthrates to prop up an aging population. And what happens when that new generation ages? Do you just continue infinitely increasing birth rates? That's completely unsustainable.

There are finite resources and space in this country and this planet. We are already seeing the strains of over-population.

And you're talking about income inequality - what about those receiving these benefits who don't need them? We've already had one poster in here prove that point. What about those receiving the benefits who aren't spending it on their kids?

Also the national living wage is just a pointless fallacy. Pay the lowest earners more and goods/services they produce increase in price therefore increasing inflation meaning the minimum wages need to constantly increase to take this in to account. Again just a cycle of perpetual increase.
 
Your ideas however seem to be terrible. You're talking about continuing/increasing birthrates to prop up an aging population. And what happens when that new generation ages? Do you just continue infinitely increasing birth rates? That's completely unsustainable.

Let's hear your amazing ideas then? Because unless you want to start rounding up the over 70s and giving them the sweet embrace of death, there isn't really much alternative.

And you're talking about income inequality - what about those receiving these benefits who don't need them? We've already had one poster in here prove that point. What about those receiving the benefits who aren't spending it on their kids?

Look at the benefits bill compared to our pension bill. It's absolutely minuscule in comparison.
 
Well he did, hes improved the GDP per Capita of China by 50 times as much during his tenure, doesn't mean he was a nice man, but his intentions were clearly of a good nature before power struggles costed him dearly. Not only that, but they're building infrastructure all over the world (to their own benefit obviously), while we can barely build our own and only enjoy destroying infrastructure in other nations.

Power makes good men evil, which is why the last ten years of his tenure were utterly reprehensible.

i think you need to read a history book, Mao was a disaster in every way.
 
Let's hear your amazing ideas then? Because unless you want to start rounding up the over 70s and giving them the sweet embrace of death, there isn't really much alternative.



Look at the benefits bill compared to our pension bill. It's absolutely minuscule in comparison.

And by continuing to increase the population you're only ever going to increase the pension bill...
 
As a Londoner i can tell you he was quite a good mayor compared to Mr Sadiq "Haven't i told you i'm a Muslim yet today?" Khan. Who has just sat on his hands and done nothing for this city

He's put the brakes on a pointless vanity project that was never procured properly and was going to cost the taxpayer tens of millions of pounds. Incidentally the person he replaced refused to co-operate with the investigation.
 
lmao you'd be first in line to have a go if she was using her skin colour as a selling point. Why is gender any different? She's obviously trying to make Thatcher comparisons and idiots are lapping it up

She's actually quoting Ken Clarke when he referred to May by that description during the leadership election...
 
Exponentially, eh? That's a mighty big claim. Mind you, it's also incredibly vague so there's no point asking you to back it up in any way.

Yes. Exponentially. And it's not a claim, it's just reality lol And there's no need to "back it up" because everything is relative. Human population has increased exponentially, therefore so have the crap parents.

You cant just have a growing population but magically assume all the negative things stay constant lol. That's called delusion, ignorance.
 
Yes. Exponentially. And it's not a claim, it's just reality lol And there's no need to "back it up" because everything is relative. Human population has increased exponentially, therefore so have the crap parents.

You cant just have a growing population but magically assume all the negative things stay constant lol. That's called delusion, ignorance.
Exponentially means something specific, and I'm not convinced that population growth meets it in any meaningful sense.
 
Exponentially means something specific, and I'm not convinced that population growth meets it in any meaningful sense.
Ok that was quick. It's already descended into a silly semantics argument.

You need to have a look at some exponential growth curves and then compare it to a graph of human population. - and then go away until you can come up with a real argument.
 
Ok that was quick. It's already descended into a silly semantics argument.

You need to have a look at some exponential growth curves and then compare it to a graph of human population. - and then try to come back with a real argument.
I'm not talking about the growth of human population, I'm talking about the uk population, which is not growing exponentially.

I'm not even sure the global population is growing exponentially, particularly given its forecast to top out at about 10bn.
 
I'm not talking about the growth of human population, I'm talking about the uk population, which is not growing exponentially.

I'm not even sure the global population is growing exponentially, particularly given its forecast to top out at about 10bn.

You're still on semantics though.

Do you really have an argument against the actual point or are you just being a silly grammar nazi? This isn't a maths thread and there are **** parents out there AND they're increasing, deal with it. Me understanding what exponentially means and refraining from using it in a hyperbolic sense isn't going to magically solve the problem of all the **** parents out there.
 
No, but if you insist on using the wrong words for things then you won't understand the scale of the problems you're discussing. If you say something is growing "exponentially" then that means something, and if what it means is not what is actually happening then you are at best misinformed and at worst actively lying.

I doubt the percentage of "bad" parents is increasing in any meaningful sense. I doubt you can even quantify in a measurable sense what a "bad" parent is. I certainly doubt that you can find any evidence to show that the percentage is growing, let alone exponentially.
 
No, but if you insist on using the wrong words for things then you won't understand the scale of the problems you're discussing. If you say something is growing "exponentially" then that means something, and if what it means is not what is actually happening then you are at best misinformed and at worst actively lying.

Ok I'm so sorry for using the word exponentially. I hope there hasn't been any lasting damage done.

But yeah anyway back in the real world, **** and hopeless parents still making babies out there. A lot of them are complete accidents too.
 
Are the parents actually getting worse (not sure what measure you'd use here), or is it just easier to hear about them now because it shifts papers / gets people to watch TV?
 
As a Londoner i can tell you he was quite a good mayor compared to Mr Sadiq "Haven't i told you i'm a Muslim yet today?" Khan. Who has just sat on his hands and done nothing for this city
Can I ask what you think Boris did for London? The cable car was a shambles, the garden bridge would have been a shambles, he always overruled local planners and local concerns to favour big money developments when asked to do so, the new Routemaster is so disproportionately expensive that all orders have stopped, and he bought broken water cannons to placate idiots everywhere. The successful transport projects all pre-dated Boris' time in office and would have been implemented regardless of who was Mayor. (Which is also true of Ken - his claim to have delivered the Overground was rubbish.)
 
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