Theresa May to create new internet that would be controlled and regulated by government

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Trusty said:
Like, i actually can't see the problem here, it's no different to when we had no internet, the police just relied on info from the citizens. If youre at high risk of committing a crime, they will access you. Yes please, stop that child molester, stop that terrorist.
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no it is different, because they didn't just open up your mail, have a good read, then send it on to you, for every letter sent to, from, or within the uk. not without a court warrant.

you heard of a little spat we had a while back called the troubles? yep that happened before the internet and it didn't stop actual proper mass terrorism in the uk.

you might have heard a chap died recently, ian brady? once again, a complete lack of internet didn't stop him from being a murdering scumbag.

and yet to stop this from happening again your solution is to hand over all that lovely personal information you have, your banking passwords, your holiday plans, to an organisation who lets face it doesn't exactly have the worlds best track record of keeping things safe.
 
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crinkleshoes said:
You do remember that little scandal called "Watergate"... right?

They are trying to make legal on a much larger scale the exact thing a president was impeached for... are you blind?
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Seen the film Miss Sloane? It's sort of similar i suppose, i don't have problem if its being done for the right reasons
 
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crinkleshoes said:
This is called brainwashing... they use fear to do it to you... it is a psychological attack on your mental well-being and you have allowed it to happen to you... seek help man
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Such psychological attacks coming at me, i lead a happy life thanks, lol this is so bizarre.

What do make of Sam Harris? I havent heard your view on that
Do you watch Alex Jones?
 
adolf hamster said:
no it is different, because they didn't just open up your mail, have a good read, then send it on to you, for every letter sent to, from, or within the uk. not without a court warrant.

you heard of a little spat we had a while back called the troubles? yep that happened before the internet and it didn't stop actual proper mass terrorism in the uk.

you might have heard a chap died recently, ian brady? once again, a complete lack of internet didn't stop him from being a murdering scumbag.

and yet to stop this from happening again your solution is to hand over all that lovely personal information you have, your banking passwords, your holiday plans, to an organisation who lets face it doesn't exactly have the worlds best track record of keeping things safe.
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Well we can perform a test, in 40 years in time, tell me if you've been affected by any of this you seem to really worried about. Good odds that you will be fine, why? because i presume you're an innocent going about their lives, they have no interest in you at all
 
The danger is that they redefine what it means to be an innocent person going about their life - with the potential directly or indirectly significantly curtail what people can do or feel free to do. Once the tools are in place that can shape that it relies on power not corrupting those who have control over them.
 
Trusty said:
Thankful we live in a democracy then eh
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After the MP expenses scandals and revelations/glimpses of abuses of power going back decades do you really want these kind of people having that kind of power and ability to further elevate their power that would come with it?
 
got a long way to go to get to that point i would say, remember you'd have to have everyone in on it as well, all the police, all the politicians, that's a lot of people to convince that a totalitarian regime is better :/

Rroff said:
After the MP expenses scandals and revelations/glimpses of abuses of power going back decades do you really want these kind of people having that kind of power and ability to further elevate their power that would come with it?
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Corruption is always bad obviously, not nearly as bad as in other countries though, don't let a few bad eggs spoil the the whole thing. i remember reading this the other day

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/04/which-countries-are-worst-affected-by-tax-avoidance/
 
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adolf hamster said:
and the way you're talking seems they're doing a pretty good job of it too.
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What do you mean? I would say this country is pretty dam good, in general. better than 90% of countries out there, or would you disagree? i hate this down with the west attitude.
 
Trusty said:
Physically following someone is different, isnt it.

We already are carrying around phones and stuff, write a petition or something. I think it's been done for the right reasons, you lot obviously think theres an evil agenda, i just don't think that.
Seriously, can we not agree to disagree about what were willing to give up for security. I feel pretty safe in the UK, and i don't feel like im caged. Win win for me.
Reality is far from ideologue
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So just to clarify - you would be happy to oblige if a law came in to force that made you legally liable to carry round a tracking device that monitored your location and interactions and sent them to a central server, which stored your location and interactions for a year?

Lets not obfuscate with "phones and stuff"*. I have no problem with agreeing to disagree, I just want you to clearly answer a question and clarify why you think it's ok in the virtual world but not the physical world. So far all you've done is obfuscate.

*Which as far as I'm aware are different in that there companies aren't legally required to log and keep your location and any data would most certainly require a warrant to access even it were available.
 
Yes, i would be fine with it, hence why i mentioned phones, it's already happening and i don't see people getting rid of them, although a tracker around your ankle or something is psychological different, that does make you feel like youre a criminal or something. How about a gps integrated bullet proof vest?

Why do we not see a bigger uproar from media outlets across the western world about our phones? There's no point trying to catch me out with this tracker nonsense, we already have them. Do you have a phone?
 
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Trusty said:
What do you mean? I would say this country is pretty dam good, in general. better than 90% of countries out there, or would you disagree? i hate this down with the west attitude.
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One of the major reasons our country is ", in general better than 90% of countries out there" is the free press, very low rates of censorship, freedom of speech and strict privacy laws - all of which have been or are likely to be eroded in the recent past/near future.
 
Yea, i don't think so personally, let's review this in 10 years time and see if you were all living fear of a totalitarian government, i'll bet we've still got a huge amount of freedom & privacy, and hopefully we'll carry on progressing. Less murder, less poverty, living longer lives, better recoveries from severe illness like cancer and dementia, hopefully have a few cures for them, technology is cool.
 
Trusty said:
Yea, i don't think so personally, let's review this in 10 years time and see if you were all living fear of a totalitarian government, i'll bet we've still got a huge amount of freedom & privacy
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Its a bit late if in 10 years time we are under a totalitarian government. Complacency is the enemy of a peaceful and free country.
 
Trusty said:
Yes, i would be fine with it, hence why i mentioned phones, it's already happening and i don't see people getting rid of them, although a tracker around your ankle or something is psychological different, that does make you feel like youre a criminal or something. How about a gps integrated bullet proof vest?

Why do we not see a bigger uproar from media outlets across the western world about our phones?
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It's not already happening. It appears you still don't quite understand the nature of what we are talking about here.

Firstly there is no legal requirement to carry your phone around with you everywhere you go. The microphone is not always on, making a record of your interactions. The phones location is not being calculated and stored in a server somewhere to be stored for a year or more at a time. Yes, phones can be used to triangulate positions as and when required, at the time of requirement (usually with a warrant for a specific suspect, although there may be data from just prior to requirement). It's still a totally different scenario. There is no legally mandated requirement to store locations for a year.

And you're wrong - there are lots of people campaigning for stricter restrictions on tracking that is available through phones, along with stricter privacy laws regarding companies like Facebook. What we appear to be having at the moment is a two tier system. Companies are (rightly) being forced more and more to be very careful and precise with what data the collect and how they store and use it but on the other hand governments are going the opposite way - requiring more data, for use in a broader way than ever before.
 
Well i'm probably one of the weird ones who wouldn't mind working for company that will eventually install microchips under your skin or something. It's not for everyone obviously. That film, Equilibrium, i think it is, like i wouldn't want that. Like i've said before, were nowhere near that point and there is a balance between security and what data is collected for our saftey. I'm not as fearful at the moment as you it seems, that's not say i want everything stripped away, we must get away from this extreme you seem to have painted me with.
 
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