How on earth is the above moaning? It was relevant advice, potentially both saving someone a journey and saving the council that has already been swamped with stuff from having to deal with even more. Perhaps you should drop the bad attitude.
Tower block fire - london
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How on earth is the above moaning? It was relevant advice, potentially both saving someone a journey and saving the council that has already been swamped with stuff from having to deal with even more. Perhaps you should drop the bad attitude.
Soldato
You picked my comment up did you not? I didn't ask for advice. Anything is better to support than nothing, which I said. These people have lost everything, hence me saying it can be handed out locally. Attitude? No, I think you should be watching your own. Any further discussion then FCD.
Yes I picked up your comment and offered some helpful/relevant advice whether it was asked for or not isn't really relevant... I really don't understand the angry reply or bad attitude in response and seemingly neither did the other poster who commented above. I'm not even sure what you mean by "I think you should watching your own."???
Soldato
Are you at ground zero? or just reading websites? What I said was anything that could help great, not just clothes. That said they could be sent out locally to charities anyway. So your point? No attitude here, you trying to pick up on something that's not there.
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you're asking me questions after editing your own post and deleting my reply? I really don't see what on earth your issue is here?
Soldato
@Wizzfizz if they don't need any supplies my friend has just told me there's been another big fire in Walthamstow high street
Few families have had to be evacuated from above the shops that are on fire.
Probably going to be in need of similar things.
Few families have had to be evacuated from above the shops that are on fire.
Probably going to be in need of similar things.
Obviously. That's why i said it seems like a cheap(ish) option to install as an absolute last chance saloon scenario where there might be a handful (but we hope not) of people stuck inside for whatever reason.
A cheap option that give them a better chance of survival than jumping.
Main reason I bought it up was due to seeing anchor points above windows in various hotels/ old offices in London.
Soldato
I don't think residents should have to learn abseiling and parachuting if they are unfortunate enough to live in one of these tower blocks. Installing sprinkler systems, having fire alarms that work, not cladding the buildings in flammable materials (allegedly!) and generally not cost cutting on safety should be the main priority.
Soldato
What an absolute debacle with significant loss of life. Heads should roll, inept housing ministers for starters for sitting on and/or burying reports and recommendations. Utter scandal.
The asbestos was removed as part of the renovation, which almost certainly contributed to severity of the fire (it's coming when renovating buildings to remove asbestos fireproofing and buff up the fire suppression to compensate, and from reports the suppression wasn't active here).
Well it didn't take long for the politicians favourite meaningless phrase to be uttered, this time by our less than strong and stable prime minister 'Lessons will be learnt.'
Which in effect means an inquiry will be held and a report with many recommendations submitted to the government who will tell us that this reports need a detailed inspection before any recommendations can be implemented. Giving the lobbyists plenty of time to convince the politicians that the recommendations, though commendable, are really unnecessary and prohibitively expensive and we might see some minor implementation of some lesser recommendations and a lot of tinkering or adjustment with the main ones to be ineffectual until we have another major incident and the cycle repeats itself with the words 'lessons will be learnt.'
Cynical or what?
Which in effect means an inquiry will be held and a report with many recommendations submitted to the government who will tell us that this reports need a detailed inspection before any recommendations can be implemented. Giving the lobbyists plenty of time to convince the politicians that the recommendations, though commendable, are really unnecessary and prohibitively expensive and we might see some minor implementation of some lesser recommendations and a lot of tinkering or adjustment with the main ones to be ineffectual until we have another major incident and the cycle repeats itself with the words 'lessons will be learnt.'
Cynical or what?
Soldato
Bit late for that I'm afraid considering how long the residence have been complaining. It needs to be more hardline in looking at those who were totally ignoring everything they were told. Including the PM, who had the report for god knows how long. They also have no idea how to "learn their lesson" since a smaller fire (there?) a few years ago killed a few.
nah a riot requires anger, by the time all the inquests have finished and determined that lessons must be learned but no one is criminally negligent this will be a distant forgotten news piece no one cares about as its cold and winter.
Caporegime
Yeah, riots tend to happen fairly quickly in response to whatever initially happened, riots we saw in 2011 happened before much information came about and before investigation or trial.
Soldato
A reality I'm afraid. Lessons have yet to be READ from the 2009 Lakanal House fire.
You'd rather abseil from 10-20 floors up, though flames and smoke, then walk down smoke filled stairs in fireproof suits with an air supply? Anyway, this is all silly speculation, we might as well ask for unicorns to magic people out of the building. It's pretty straightforward how you protect people in building fires, and that's to build them properly and put sprinklers/alarms in. We know this, and the outcome of this fire would have been very different if there was a working sprinkler system and none of that cladding on the outside.
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I wonder if the banks will find a way to forego their usual security and allow residents to withdraw cash from their accounts without cards or ID.