Tower block fire - london

jpaul said:
In the same way that the public appreciate other privately owned media feeds (Murdoch etc) have their own agenda,
privatisation of elements of the BBC would remove the golden aura of impartiality that the beloved BBC brand seems to attract.
Trump has already tried to discredit the BBC, but I am not sure any of that mud stuck.
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Not sure what this means, I asked if what I said was about right, is it?

Are you ignoring the suggestions (of a lawyer experienced in representing victims of similar circumstances) that a government lead public enquiry is not the best method for getting answers and are you then also suggesting government should divert money paid by the public for a public service broadcaster for use in an entirely different area, that is about to be under investigation in one form or another?
 
OK I was not particularly making a distinction between the merit of an enquiry or inquest, but do not think funding of the BBC by an immigrant billionaire, that might result from fund diversion (as you imply ?) would necessarily be a bad thing.

However, I am not convinced an inquest alone, although it might, short term serve the victims families well, would, long term, be of the best benefit for process improvement,
is the burden of proof required as part of an inquest not obstructive to establishing such long term/enduring improvements. ? as well as being more expensive.
... so I would fall on the side of let the government lead. - yes
 
Rroff said:
That is one issue for me - the work I'm best qualified for doesn't really exist outside of London and a little bit in Bristol and 1-2 other cities but while I love London after only about 4 years or so of living there I'd had enough of living there.
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Yep, same reason I world in London for four years. London or a lesser extent Aberdeen. That's the sum total of the two places I could work in the UK. The add about another dozen locations outside the UK (about half of them in Africa or the Middle East) and that's it.

For some it's not an option.
 
Diddums said:
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/20/grenf...-42-bodies-in-one-room-during-search-6720776/
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Not very credible as they are reporting on a Youtube video where a man's saying his friend's brother works for the fire brigade, and that's what he said. It just more clickbait at the moment, and I wouldn't put it past people to make this sort of thing up to get Youtube hits and page views.

The claim was made in a YouTube video by a man as he stood in front of the charred remains.

He said: ‘I’ve got a friend who works for the fire brigade here at Ladbroke Grove, yeah.

‘Yesterday on the phone he said they found about 42 bodies in one room, all hiding together. No-one knows that.’

‘It’s only because we know the brother, he’s a fireman, that he told us this – but he can’t tell you lot that.
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Steampunk said:
Not very credible as they are reporting on a Youtube video where a man's saying his friend's brother works for the fire brigade, and that's what he said. It just more clickbait at the moment, and I wouldn't put it past people to make this sort of thing up to get Youtube hits and page views.
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Agreed, I took it with a massive pinch of salt as well.
 
Irish_Tom said:
Thanks, as stated I'll wait for something more credible.
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Oddly there was a guy on the TV on the day of the fire that was describing how the fire travelled up the outside of the building, he said then that bodies would be found together as people were all on one side of the building shouting out of windows as they had moved away from the flames.
 
LOAM said:
Oddly there was a guy on the TV on the day of the fire that was describing how the fire travelled up the outside of the building, he said then that bodies would be found together as people were all on one side of the building shouting out of windows as they had moved away from the flames.
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Oh I'm sure it's perfectly plausible — people from lower floors may have moved up once they realised there was no way down and then all moved to one room to try and escape the heat and smoke as it moved across the floor.

I'm just saying a guy from YouTube who's mate's brother is a fireman and said x isn't necessarily the most reliable source of information.
 
I can believe it. You flee upwards. It was probably near a well secured roof Access area.

Very grim. Who is really gonna report it? What mainstream media group would have the balls to run that... It's horrible.
 
dowie said:
balls to run what? pointing out facts re: people dying isn't particularly controversial in itself
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Theres a difference between simply stating the death toll and pointing out that 40 odd people were all huddling together and burned alive at the top of the building.

Stating the bare minimum is the best for this kind of scenario.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Theres a difference between simply stating the death toll and pointing out that 40 odd people were all huddling together and burned alive at the top of the building.

Stating the bare minimum is the best for this kind of scenario.
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obviously there is a difference, though I don't necessarily agree with your second statement - there isn't anything particularly controversial in itself in pointing out that people were discovered on one floor or in one room etc..
 
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