Read both my posts, the comment you have quoted was in response to the potential for this to all be swept under the carpet.
Not a reasonable comparison. The method of construction (And what it was trying to achieve) were totally different.
WTC was a structuaral steel building aimed at providing large, essentially single room, floors. To the extent that there was a cost failing it was that the architects failed to ensure a structurally robust and fireproof wall around the building central core (Stairwells and lift shafts) IIRC the stair wells were only surrounded by dry wall, reasonably fireproof but totally inadequate in the event of any sort of explosion.
But then, nobody anticipated a fire fed by hundreds of tons of aviation fuel...
WTC would have likely survived any "Normal" fire just fine.
Grenfell Tower was intended to provide lots of small rooms on each floor. from what I have gleaned, it was constructed using "In Situ Concrete" IE the main structure is essentially a single casting of steel reinforced concrete (Like Petronas Towers).
This sort of structure is essentially fireproof and will withstand very high temperatures without structural failure (As it clearly has done!)
The issue wasn't the building, it was was clearly what it was recently wrapped in.
AFAIAC this isnt a "Blame" thing, I am a bit Japanese about this. There is a problem here that needs to be resolved. It is likely that there are many other tower blocks that have been recently refurbished using similar materials.
THESE BUILDINGS CANNOT BE CONSIDERED SAFE!
There is a potentially massive and expensive problem to solve here and I really do not want resources wasted on trying to find people to blame...
Just now, If I was somebody who lived in one of these recently refurbished tower blocks I would be currently feeling very uncomfortable about going to sleep in my home.
I want every current resource put in to making very large numbers of people safe. The Lawyers can haggle over the corpses later...
Not a reasonable comparison. The method of construction (And what it was trying to achieve) were totally different.
WTC was a structuaral steel building aimed at providing large, essentially single room, floors. To the extent that there was a cost failing it was that the architects failed to ensure a structurally robust and fireproof wall around the building central core (Stairwells and lift shafts) IIRC the stair wells were only surrounded by dry wall, reasonably fireproof but totally inadequate in the event of any sort of explosion.
But then, nobody anticipated a fire fed by hundreds of tons of aviation fuel...
WTC would have likely survived any "Normal" fire just fine.
Grenfell Tower was intended to provide lots of small rooms on each floor. from what I have gleaned, it was constructed using "In Situ Concrete" IE the main structure is essentially a single casting of steel reinforced concrete (Like Petronas Towers).
This sort of structure is essentially fireproof and will withstand very high temperatures without structural failure (As it clearly has done!)
The issue wasn't the building, it was was clearly what it was recently wrapped in.
AFAIAC this isnt a "Blame" thing, I am a bit Japanese about this. There is a problem here that needs to be resolved. It is likely that there are many other tower blocks that have been recently refurbished using similar materials.
THESE BUILDINGS CANNOT BE CONSIDERED SAFE!
There is a potentially massive and expensive problem to solve here and I really do not want resources wasted on trying to find people to blame...
Just now, If I was somebody who lived in one of these recently refurbished tower blocks I would be currently feeling very uncomfortable about going to sleep in my home.
I want every current resource put in to making very large numbers of people safe. The Lawyers can haggle over the corpses later...
With only one staircase they'd struggle to get firefighters up at the same time as getting people down, it would have been chaos. If things operated as they should, the fire should have essentially been contained so there'd have been no need to evacuate people. As it is, it spread very quickly and in ways not foreseen; that was the problem.
And, as I said last night, this is entirely the wrong approach. Corbyn should wind his neck in and stop inciting people to riot. This is a nationwide issue affecting many councils around the country (And I dare say Many of them will be Labour controlled councils rather than Tory ones)
I was think of an analogy this morning.
If Grenfell Tower was an aircraft, the whole fleet would likly be grounded pending the accident investigation.
In an ideal world ALL similarly refurbished tower blocks should be immediately evacuated pending surveys to determine the safety of the new cladding.
This really is an accident that could happen again later this afternoon! The fire was triggered by a faulty fridge. We are in the middle of the hottest June in 40 years. All such equipment will be working flat out and I dare say that when we look at the sort of fridges/freezer that people will have in Council flats it is more likely to be Beko than Meile!
And no, I really do not think I am overreacting...
