I'll assume you don't know that a percentage of all new large scale builds are given to assisted housing by default?
It's not all about 'you', as in the individual purchasing a share in a building....
Tower block fire - london
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I'll assume you don't know that a percentage of all new large scale builds are given to assisted housing by default?
It's not all about 'you', as in the individual purchasing a share in a building....
Yes I do stand corrected as I read a few more bits of info not posted in the DM.
the DM is a naff source for this kind of stuff - the telegraph and the independent give much better detail on the story
if you skim read the daily fail article then it reads as 'the government' giving million pound properties away etc.. which isn't really the case at all
Not being rude, but I'd try and find any other source of information other than the DM
Yeah, that was pretty nasty. The desperation you need to be in to do that. :/
God only knows, i was watching a documentary about the twin towers and obviously those that jumped had similarly awful decisions to make, just horrible
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Looks like she and her team was shown some culture enrichment.
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Why are the police so scared to do the job that we, the tax-payer, pay them to do and arrest the violent trouble-makers?
yeah pretty dodgy that people can get assaulted and the police don't step in to do anything with regards to the people assaulting/carrying out criminal damage... it isn't like it is the middle of a riot or that they don't have the numbers - if they can step in and escort her away they could also step in and arrest people for assault/criminal damage
I've been trawling ADB2 tonight again and I think reading it, it does suggest that the cladding was unsuitable for buildings over 18m. Its not that simple to understand though as it references several BS testing, which admittedly the product may conform to, ive not checked as its been heavy going.
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Just heard on the radio that the plastic in the cladding when burns breaks down into some cyanide compound.
3 people have been given antidotes/treatment foe the poisoning but the fire chemical expert they had on said that once the cladding started burning each flat would have had from their window a source if the gas that would kill any who stayed inside
3 people have been given antidotes/treatment foe the poisoning but the fire chemical expert they had on said that once the cladding started burning each flat would have had from their window a source if the gas that would kill any who stayed inside
Not everyone want so go out out every night.
If you get home late or have to be up early tube/cab into the city can be a pain.
Being able to pop to a bar/cinema/gym etc in your own building though would be nice to have.
Doesn't mean you don't go out on the weekend but maybe you want your amineities close by foe in the qeek
Oof I can imagine the tabloid headlines :s
well I can think of quite a few potential issues, mentioned some before - not everyone is necessarily going to get a place in what has now been hyped up by some publications as a super luxury development with cinema, pool etc.. (even though that is all likely irrelevant to the social housing block). Some people may still be rehoused in some regular bog standard council flat outside the borough.
Remember the block is going to be a mix of social tenants, owner occupiers, people renting privately from BTL landlords, people living with relatives, sub-tennants/lodgers living with legit tenants and potentially even some tenants who've illegally sublet their flat... so some of the victims might be illegal immigrants either subletting a flat or living as lodgers.
I'd suspect that the 68 properties in this new block will go to the social housing tenants with priority given to those with strong links to the area, kids in local schools etc...
There are lots of question about how these different people can be handled:
What happens to the BTL landlord - he/she didn't have to suffer the fire directly or lose any real personal possessions other than his/her investment, surely he or she doesn't get a new free luxury flat to rent out? Though he or she needs some form of compensation/insurance pay out in that case.
What happens to the private rental tenants of a BTL landlord - they're not people who'd qualify for social housing normally, they're able to pay the £1700 or whatever it was per month to live there - presumably they'd get to claim the £5k payment from the government and/or have contents insurance themselves but I'd suspect they don't get a brand new 'luxury' flat on a social tenancy.
As we've seen from the bedroom tax some social housing is, at least on paper, under occupied. There is a potential issue here, perhaps a social housing tenant who had a 2 bedroom flat in the tower but only needed a 1 bedroom flat (kids grown up etc..) might well be allocated a 1 bedroom flat in the new development - this would save them the bedroom tax. Problem is what if they used to have a lodger either declared or not declared - that lodger might now be screwed. Similar issue with the 5k payment, that probably just goes to the official tenant.
Same issue as above but assume they have family members living with them - we've seen already that some of these flats had 6 people from the same family crammed into them, suppose the actual tenants, on paper, don't need a second bedroom and now get a 1 bedroom property. (Or even perhaps there will be issues with a new 2 bedroom property with that many people - affordable housing has to meet some size requirements but it isn't necessarily as big as old school council housing)
Those are kind of known issues - we know there are some BTL homes there, we know there are some homes with a bunch of people crammed into them. There is the other potential issue that we don't know about for sure - illegal sub lets. This one could be dodgy if it has occurred in the block - if someone has illegally sublet their council flat would they then admit to it or claim to be a victim and get a new place in the 'luxury development' and what happens to the undocumented tenants who were renting unofficially?
Likewise some people living there might not be in the UK legally, if they weren't even living there officially either then re-housing them might be an issue, presumably no links to the local area and potentially people the government ought to otherwise be deporting.
Lots of potential issues but presumably those owners, other than the initial help, will have to deal with their insurance company for recompence - like any other fire victim, the insurance company paying to put them up in a hotel/rental accommodation and eventually paying out for them to get a new home/renovation of their flat if the tower is repaired - there's probably a process for this as its almost certainly happened before (just not this extreme).
Presumably too it'll only be the social housing people that will be moved into the new place - essentially jumping the queue of housing as their previous location is now unavailable. As you say even for those it could be a bit of a pain depending on what the situation was, but having to move people out of accommodation for one reason or other is likely to be a regular occurance so there are probably processes to follow too.
You're right though, it doesn't appear to have been mentioned who will actually be put up in the new digs. Perhaps because they haven't actually thought that far ahead?
Presumably too it'll only be the social housing people that will be moved into the new place - essentially jumping the queue of housing as their previous location is now unavailable. As you say even for those it could be a bit of a pain depending on what the situation was, but having to move people out of accommodation for one reason or other is likely to be a regular occurance so there are probably processes to follow too.
You're right though, it doesn't appear to have been mentioned who will actually be put up in the new digs. Perhaps because they haven't actually thought that far ahead?
Doesn't work like that - I presume you guys live in houses not flats? You don't have individual buildings insurance for a flat, if your whole block burns down you don't want to find out that some neighbours didn't have insurance etc..or have different policies - buildings insurance is for the whole building and usually covered by the freeholder/management company via a service charge - or in this case the local authority.
So I guess there is some chance that an owner (well an owner occupier) might get one of the new 'luxury' flats - I'd suspect as mentioned before that they'll go to social housing tenants as a priority though... If a BTL owner gets one and some other renter, lodger, immigrant gets a random council property outside the borough then there will no doubt be plenty of press attention.
On the other hand the owner occupiers and BTL owners will need to be compensated/made right in some way.
So I guess there is some chance that an owner (well an owner occupier) might get one of the new 'luxury' flats - I'd suspect as mentioned before that they'll go to social housing tenants as a priority though... If a BTL owner gets one and some other renter, lodger, immigrant gets a random council property outside the borough then there will no doubt be plenty of press attention.
On the other hand the owner occupiers and BTL owners will need to be compensated/made right in some way.
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