Tower block fire - london

What are peoples thoughts on the "amnesty" i.e. illegal immigrants who were living in the block and illegal sub letters being given a pardon? I can see from a humanitarian perspective this is a tragedy, people have lost everything and seriously need our help. But on the other hand is it sending the wrong message that these crimes are pardoned?

I think the next part of this scandal will be about who and how many people were actually living in the block. This has all sorts of implications for debate on housing shortage, immigration and benefits etc. Even when we know the truth of the shoddy building work, I think this will run and run on the other social implications.
 
MookJong said:
What are peoples thoughts on the "amnesty" i.e. illegal immigrants who were living in the block and illegal sub letters being given a pardon? I can see from a humanitarian perspective this is a tragedy, people have lost everything and seriously need our help. But on the other hand is it sending the wrong message that these crimes are pardoned?

I think the next part of this scandal will be about who and how many people were actually living in the block. This has all sorts of implications for debate on housing shortage, immigration and benefits etc. Even when we know the truth of the shoddy building work, I think this will run and run on the other social implications.
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If they are illegal immigrants they should be deported just like any other illegal immigrant
 
John40 said:
Who gets the new housing the legal tenants who may not even live in this country or the people they have sub-letted to. ?
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if someone has illegally sublet their flat and was living somewhere else then they're not victims and ought to lose their entitlement to social housing

as for their sub tenants who were actually victims of the blaze I would assume they'd be treated in the same way as any private renters in the block

if the sub tenants are here illegally then.... can of worms
 
OldCoals said:
All of them until there legal status to be here can be resolved.
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Why your "Jesus Christ" reaction if this is what you think? I totally agree with you. But people are crying out for housing, so asking how the authorities draw up their temporary policy when clearly the issues are complex is totally valid, No?
 
Django x2 said:
Devils advocate, but how many legal british entities could the fireman have saved if they hadn't had to save illegal immigrants?
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Bit harsh but I'd like to know if the block was very overcrowded with people who had no legal status in the UK - if it had an impact on the number of people who were able to escape with their lives, for example corridors and stairways being stuffed full of people who shouldn't have been living there. Those illegally sub-letting should be punished because their actions overcrowding the block would have cost people their lives in this incident.

I think granting an amnesty sets a precedent which could come back and bite the government. Could people just claim they lived in the block? What sort of verification could be made? Would it lead to other fires being started elsewhere due to people thinking they would also get an amnesty in a similar situation?

Personally, when I've had to pay around £6k (so far) to have my wife in the United Kingdom with me and am looking at approx. £10k by the time she has ILtoR I don't think people should be given legal status when they've played the system.
 
h4rm0ny said:
Someone is pulling out all the stops to try and defuse the social anger that has been growing over the last couple of years. As gestures go, that's a pretty humungous one. I wonder how many people who were previously talking about injustice will reverse their positions based on this? Not many, I suspect. It's the "permanent" part that staggers me the most. So what will happen to Grenfell tower? Brought down? Re-fitted?

He wont dare. He'll just move on to criticising something else, I suspect. The only people who will openly criticise this on a public platform are those who don't depend on public goodwill for their careers (e.g. MPs and councillors). Criticising this will be a death sentence for anyone in public office.

Probably. Except for the one whose fridge it was.
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I personally feel that re-homing 68 Grenfell residents in luxury and exclusive apartments is overdoing it a tad. I mean yes we get it, the government is feeling guilty, but giving them multi-million pound housing seems like stretching it a bit? And yes, of course I do have compassion for what they went through, but nevertheless...
 
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