Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[nashathedog]

It's a gaming card. It says Geforce GTX...

They advertise it as the ultimate gaming card and so on. No amount of mental gymnastics are going to change this.

The Vega FE is a mess by the looks of things.

All he has to do is go to Nvidia's website and punch Titan into the search window and it gives every Titan's sales patter as I posted above,
Each Titan from Kepler to Pascal is on there referenced as a gaming card.


People seem to struggle with how promotional ads are done.

The Titan cards are aimed at two different types of consumer so Nvidia do different types of ad for each target.

Those aimed at gamers and those aimed at whoever it is that needs a card for deep learning.

 

[Kaapstad]

It says Geforce GTX on it and it uses gaming drivers. NVidia can claim whatever they want, but those two points alone show it's a gaming card.

100%

Hardly anyone buys a Titan Xp for deep learning, but they do make good gaming cards.

You can also swap in and out any of the 1060, 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti, Titan X or Titan Xp without having to reload the drivers so I think the drivers are seeing them all as gaming cards.

 

[AlamoX]

i have just one question about Vega FE, where is the " it's got a soul...it's got a brain...it's almost human " package, is that reserved to RX or did they ditch the idea altogether ?

 

[TNA]

i have just one question about Vega FE, where is the " it's got a soul...it's got a brain...it's almost human " package, is that reserved to RX or did they ditch the idea altogether ?

lol

 

[HeX]

it's a big chip, with hbm2.

it ain't gonna be cheap

Doesn't matter, you have to price it against your competition, especially this late into the race.

Who is going to buy a £600 VEGA when you can get a £500 1080... They need to come in with a disruptive price if they want to win back market share.

 

[Kaapstad]

I havnt seen any proof of this, my titan XPs didn't overclocked better than the 3 1080tis I've had.

my current Xp clocks 40mhz less than any of the 1080tis I've had.

Read the stock specs for and checkout the default Xp memory speed compared to any 1080 Ti for starters.

 

[Kaapstad]

I think this says it all as to if the Titan Xp is a gaming card or not

Its in there with all the other GeForce cards.

 

[nashathedog]

I think this says it all as to if the Titan Xp is a gaming card or not

Its in there with all the other GeForce cards.

I already gave him a link to Nvidia calling every version of the Titan a gaming card after he responded to me calling it a gaming card by saying it isn't one but he chose to ignore it, go figure.
Some people don't like admitting when they're wrong. Me personally I had to admit the odd's aren't in my favour years ago.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

From Rhys who works for RTG and is behind Beyond3D regarding the drivers:

It's not gimped (that would be completely ridiculous), but it is older.

 

[D.P.]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/deep-learning-ai/developer/

• NVIDIA TITAN Xp - The fastest accelerator for deep neural network training on a desktop PC based on the revolutionary NVIDIA Pascal™architecture

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/17/digits-devbox/

another post from Nvidia on how the titan x is a deep learning card

also, when gamernexus did their hybrid mod the viewer that donated their card said it was for deep learning /workstation use giving examples of why it was better than the 1080ti in this regard.

Deep learning has nothing to do with professional use. Titan has no support for professional software and Nvidia has never, ever advertised it for professional use.


The original Titan was marketed for HPC use because of the F 64F support, but again, HPC is not professional productivity software. The TitanXP is marketed for deep learning and not HPC, because deep learning doesn't need FP64 performance (best with double rate half-precision). But deep learning has nothing to do with professional software.

 

[zornyan]

I already gave him a link to Nvidia calling every version of the Titan a gaming card after he responded to me calling it a gaming card by saying it isn't one but he chose to ignore it, go figure.
Some people don't like admitting when they're wrong. Me personally I had to admit the odd's aren't in my favour years ago.

guess the links where Nvidia advertise it to people looking for deep learning means the opposite...


regardleas, the vega FE is in the same position, it's partly a gaming card, and partly uses for things like deep learning.

it may have pro drivers, but they're not certified ones, it doesn't have ecc, so it's not a pro card.

 

[D.P.]

From Rhys who works for RTG and is behind Beyond3D regarding the drivers:

I saw that but it doesn't have much info. So is the driver 1-2 weeks older? I can't imaging for the cards they actually hip the driver is going to be say 4 months older then the gaming RX vega that wont launch for another month.

All you really get form that is that AMD didn't purposely limit the performance of the Vega FE gaming drivers, which would be odd anyway.

With all the pro cards the drivers work fine for gaming and are well optimized for gaming, they get all the optimizations that the gaming drivers get. The main difference, beyond support for pro software, is that they are released a little less frequently. You don't get release day driver for a AAA game with the pro drivers, but optimizations made for that game will likely appear in the pro driver down the road. There are quite a few tests with the Quadro cards testing in 3Dmark and a few popular games and the performance is basically identical. Which also make Vega FE's market positioning stupid because you can buy a Quadro card iwth certified drivers and still get gaming performance as good as the gaming drivers.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Doesn't matter, you have to price it against your competition, especially this late into the race.

Who is going to buy a £600 VEGA when you can get a £500 1080... They need to come in with a disruptive price if they want to win back market share.

A £600 VEGA you say ?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-18j-pc.html

 

[Nexus18]

More news that won't bode well for vega gaming release....

Days of crazy VGA deals is gone unfortunately for now, as the memory pricing has sky rocketed, you first witnessed it on DDR4/DDR3 with prices tripling and SSD pricing more than doubling, now the VGA contracts have come to an end and are being renewed and well pretty much every card I buy has being hit, even 1050Ti's have gone up $10 and of course the high-end the card and the more VRAM the more the impact on the pricing. Then of course the whole shortage created by mining is effecting our cost too.

Then of course as a company we keep our margins higher to slow the miners down, but then use codes on select SKU's to give the items more aggressive pricing so the gamer gets a look in, otherwise the miners simply buy everything. Were even seeing them buy 1080Ti, one rang up today for 150pc of 1080Ti, fortunately we've got 1000+ in stock as I predicted it so I've being hoovering up all the stock on 1080Ti so we can supply miners and gamers alike and not have to boost the pricing. Though of course our new stocks of 1080Ti are not cheap, a good $50 more to buy due to this whole memory pricing issue.

Honestly I think we are going to have to be very lucky for vega to come in at £400.... Definitely can't see it being any cheaper now

 

[nashathedog]

guess the links where Nvidia advertise it to people looking for deep learning means the opposite...

As I posted in reply to Spoffle The Titan cards are aimed at two different types of consumer so Nvidia do different types of ad for each target audience.

Those aimed at gamers and those aimed at whoever it is that needs a card for deep learning.

Typing Titan into the search box on the Nvidia webite shows the wording Nvidia used when marketing each Titan. Every one's called a gaming card right up to Pascal.

Look at the marketing ad's for the originals.

 

[zornyan]

More news that won't bode well for vega gaming release....



Honestly I think we are going to have to be very lucky for vega to come in at £400.... Definitely can't see it being any cheaper now

thought 1080tis were bad for mining etherum due to the algorithm not liking gddr5x?

 

[nashathedog]

More news that won't bode well for vega gaming release....



Honestly I think we are going to have to be very lucky for vega to come in at £400.... Definitely can't see it being any cheaper now

I don't think we've got any chance of Vega being under 400, Even the cut-down version.

The cut down Fury was just over 400 and the Fury X over 500 and graphic card prices have rocketed since then and I don't mean due to the recent mining craze. I think AND are going to expect more than the card is worth if you line it up with the cost of the similar performing Pascal card's.

 

[Howling]

I don't think we've got any chance of Vega being under 400, Even the cut-down version.

The cut down Fury was just over 400 and the Fury X over 500 and graphic card prices have rocketed since then and I don't mean due to the recent mining craze. I think AND are going to expect more than the card is worth if you line it up with the cost of the similar performing Pascal card's.

It has to perform if they want sales that high though ..

 

[Nexus18]

I don't think we've got any chance of Vega being under 400, Even the cut-down version.

The cut down Fury was just over 400 and the Fury X over 500. I think AND are going to expect more than the card is worth if you line it up with the cost of the Pascal card's

Well if it is going to cost more or less the same as a 1080/1080ti then AMD have failed big time, over a year later than 10xx and that is the best they can do....

Just meh! If that is the case.....

thought 1080tis were bad for mining etherum due to the algorithm not liking gddr5x?

No idea but they must be good enough if miners are setting their sight on to them now!

 

[opethdisciple]

I'll buy something I need/want if there is undeniable value. Which is partly why I don't own a 1000 series card, I always thought they where over priced.