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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%
  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%
  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%

  • Total voters
    528
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got you...i thought all that had been locked down not being able to hack/use pro drivers ect if that is the case its not looking good then :(

There are no gaming drivers for the card, its not a gaming variant of the card, its a work station card.

The RX Vega, the gaming version has not been seen yet, the drivers are not ready, that's why its not out yet but the work station version is.

Wait for the gaming card before passing gaming judgement, Ryan Shrout is an idiot, he was told time and time again this was not the RX card and they had no gaming drivers for him.
 
D.P - i don't profess to be an expert but even if i were in the negative camp on vega i would find it very hard to believe that a chip as big as vega and with so much on paper capability can't beat an overclocked 980ti (in some benchmarks) in games.

i doubt AMD would have green lit the launch. it would be cheaper for AMD not to launch vega 1.0 at all and simply go for a launch with an improved 1.1 stepping of the chip on the basis that no gamer is going to buy the card if it's trading blows with an highly overclocked Fury X in gaming.

AMD must know what the final silicon is capable of doing in the lab with a bunch of optimised and debugged games (doom being one) and are working frantically to get more working as we type.
 
Obviously RX Vega will game better than the R-FE, That said the R-FE is still a good way to get an idea of how RX Vega will performm, In Raja Koduri's statement where he said gamers should wait for the RX Vega he also said tthat if you can't wait for the gaming Vega the Frontier is a great card for 4k gaming, Looking at how badly the R-FE struggled with 4k gaming in the testing we've seen that gives cause for concern. It struggled to manage more than 30 fps in a lot of the tested games.
got you...i thought all that had been locked down not being able to hack/use pro drivers ect if that is the case its not looking good then :(

you can flash the titan Xp to quadro p6000 drivers for instance. obviously you still lack ECC and have less vram than the quadros but it boosts the workflow performance.
 
Is FE vega as good a gaming card as the RX Vega card. ( Probably not).. But it is a gaming card as Raja himself said you can game on it if you want and AMD even gave it a game mode to suggest its not a gaming card is madness.
This doesnt mean its the best Vega can do however .
I dont see why people want to blame PCPer for doing game benchmarks on a card with a Game mode . They also did some blender etc iirc was that wrong aswell? How should you test a card that AMD stated is gaming and productivity?
Not that it is certified for some productivity programs anyway.
Should PCPer skipped productivity due to lack of certification and skipped gaming because well some say its not a gaming card.. So what is it? If you remove both those tests whats left?.

TLDR End of the day AMD released a GPU reviewers tested it in the things AMD said it can do, if it didn't do aswell as you liked blame AMD not the messengers.
 
Right now the performance is about the same as a Fury-X despite running a 40% higher clock.

Its so obviously not ready for gaming.

Add to that, during the stream Ryan Shrout actually asked AMD for the best gaming drivers, he was told "there are no gaming drivers for it at all" and yet he still went ahead treating it as 'the latest gaming card from AMD', like a troll.

Edited my post, the FE has a 1600Mhz clock which is about 60% higher than the Fury-X but Ryan's card ran at ~1440Mhz during his gaming runs. so about 40% above Fury-X.
 
Why are people basing so much on raja saying "you can game on it"?

I have a few old GPUs lying around here i.e. a nvidia 8400 and amd 4850 etc., and guess what I can also game on them..... But does that automatically mean that I am getting great performance with max settings on them????? Nope.....

I think it is safe to say that he simply meant yes, you can game on them, nothing more and nothing less.

D.P - i don't profess to be an expert but even if i were in the negative camp on vega i would find it very hard to believe that a chip as big as vega and with so much on paper capability can't beat an overclocked 980ti (in some benchmarks) in games.

i doubt AMD would have green lit the launch. it would be cheaper for AMD not to launch vega 1.0 at all and simply go for a launch with an improved 1.1 stepping of the chip on the basis that no gamer is going to buy the card if it's trading blows with an highly overclocked Fury X in gaming.

AMD must know what the final silicon is capable of doing in the lab with a bunch of optimised and debugged games (doom being one) and are working frantically to get more working as we type.

Nah, us armchair experts know more than what anyone at AMD knows.....
 
As has been shown time and time again especially on this forum and even by people who know more than their fair share about drivers/gpus etc., a lot of people will never go AMD, more so for the "high end", it doesn't matter if AMD have a great high end card, AMD don't have the same mind share as what nvidia have over their customers. In order for AMD to "fully" get rid of this peasant/buggy/cheap tarnished image that they have in the mind of many people, they need to start from scratch with everything, branding name, their PR/marketing, how they handle launches, the whole shebang.

ATI at its worst had 35% marketshare(and at best 50%),despite the same memes happening back then and Nvidia having the NV FG all around the interwebs. AMD by extension saw its share drop to 17% and is now around 29% which is historically very low for ATI/AMD.

This is not all down to the physical products but the way AMD launches them,and makes them look worse than they are. People here are going on how inefficient GCN was,but forget outside Tahiti,the other GCN MK1 GPUs were very competitive in performance/watt and performance/mm2,but AMD started to see a decline even back then. Part of it was because they utterly screwed up with the switching mechanism in laptops IIRC,whilst Nvidia managed to get theirs working better.

The fact of the matter,you need to look at the last few AMD launches to see why people are sticking with Nvidia - there is always some issues,and Nvidia by extension might have their own but they tend to deliver more often,unlike AMD does.

I mean FFS look at that article on Anandtech when AT was invited to AMD HQ to look at some Carizzo laptops?? AMD was going on how they were not getting traction from OEMs,so they had to end up having SKUs they offered not working in the optimal way,ie,like having single channel RAM. Except a number of the laptops they had were not production representative examples and could run dual channel memory. In fact one of the laptops they touted as being only single channel,was actually reviewed by NBC in dual channel mode with RAM sent by AMD to them.

At this point,it shows the issue here,they miss on details which means competitors can jump on using social media or even in reviews. Look at the R9 290X - they offered a bloody "QUIET MODE" on a cooler which was barely enough on normal mode. Nvidia then bought an example,saw it was downclocking in quiet mode,and then informed reviewers of this and sent a few cards off for free.

The R9 290X/R9 290 should have been the next HD4870 FFS.
 
Right now the performance is about the same as a Fury-X despite running a 40% higher clock.

Its so obviously not ready for gaming.

Add to that, during the stream Ryan Shrout actually asked AMD for the best gaming drivers, he was told "there are no gaming drivers for it at all" and yet he still went ahead treating it as 'the latest gaming card from AMD', like a troll.

Edited my post, the FE has a 1600Mhz clock which is about 60% higher than the Fury-X but Ryans card ran at ~1440Mhz during his gaming runs. so about 40% above Fury-X.

https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/product/radeon-vega-frontier-edition/



To playtest and optimize the gaming experience, the exclusive ability of the Radeon™ Vega Frontier Edition to switch from Radeon™ Pro Settings to Radeon™ Settings and back with a couple of clicks enables rapid switching between software features for faster iteration during development workflows.

When in “Gaming Mode” the full suite of gaming features of Radeon™ Software are made available, including Radeon™ Chill 5 and Radeon™ WattMan

  • I Just Want to Game
    If you want to game on a Windows® platform, get your driver here and switch to “Gaming Mode.”

If there isnt a gaming driver for Vega atm i'd suggest AMD are the trolls as they are the ones the released the card without a gaming driver according to you
 
Right now the performance is about the same as a Fury-X despite running a 40% higher clock.

Its so obviously not ready for gaming.

Add to that, during the stream Ryan Shrout actually asked AMD for the best gaming drivers, he was told "there are no gaming drivers for it at all" and yet he still went ahead treating it as 'the latest gaming card from AMD', like a troll.

Edited my post, the FE has a 1600Mhz clock which is about 60% higher than the Fury-X but Ryan's card ran at ~1440Mhz during his gaming runs. so about 40% above Fury-X.

And yet with no gaming drivers almost beats the GTX1080Ti on Fallout 4. A gameworks game!

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^^

Nah, it's just the hardware that sucks, got nothing to do with drivers man!!!!!!

ATI at its worst had 35% marketshare(and at best 50%),despite the same memes happening back then and Nvidia having the NV FG all around the interwebs. AMD by extension saw its share drop to 17% and is now around 29% which is historically very low for ATI/AMD.

This is not all down to the physical products but the way AMD launches them,and makes them look worse than they are. People here are going on how inefficient GCN was,but forget outside Tahiti,the other GCN MK1 GPUs were very competitive in performance/watt and performance/mm2,but AMD started to see a decline even back then. Part of it was because they utterly screwed up with the switching mechanism in laptops IIRC,whilst Nvidia managed to get theirs working better.

The fact of the matter,you need to look at the last few AMD launches to see why people are sticking with Nvidia - there is always some issues,and Nvidia by extension might have their own but they tend to deliver more often,unlike AMD does.

I mean FFS look at that article on Anandtech when AT was invited to AMD HQ to look at some Carizzo laptops?? AMD was going on how they were not getting traction from OEMs,so they had to end up having SKUs they offered not working in the optimal way,ie,like having single channel RAM. Except a number of the laptops they had were not production representative examples and could run dual channel memory. In fact one of the laptops they touted as being only single channel,was actually reviewed by NBC in dual channel mode with RAM sent by AMD to them.

At this point,it shows the issue here,they miss on details which means competitors can jump on using social media or even in reviews. Look at the R9 290X - they offered a bloody "QUIET MODE" on a cooler which was barely enough on normal mode. Nvidia then bought an example,saw it was downclocking in quiet mode,and then informed reviewers of this and sent a few cards off for free.

The R9 290X/R9 290 should have been the next HD4870 FFS.

And see that there is the problem, people remember every little thing that AMD do wrong but when it comes to nvidia, people forget or just sweep it under the carpet like it is no big deal:

- 970 and the whole 3.5gb of ram fiasco, not to mention the coil whine issues
- people making a big song and dance about amd cards running hot and loud and throttling, look at nvidias recent high end GPUs...... or even better the 470/480.....
- dx 12/async fiasco on nvidias current cards
- didn't they also release a driver update not just for 1 but 2 GPUs where the fan(s) stopped working after coming out of sleep mode or something

And many many other things.

But yes, nvidia generally handle their launch day/reviews better than AMD lately.

As for the 290/290x, they are fantastic cards still, just look at how well they are performing 4+ years later.....
 
got you...i thought all that had been locked down not being able to hack/use pro drivers ect if that is the case its not looking good then :(

The P5000 is a 1080 so that needs to be taking I to account if reviewing the Vega within productivity
 
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I think it's more the specific section for gaming drivers for "just a gamer".

The only comparison AMD made there with the Titan Xp was with AutoDesk Maya, AutoDesk Maya is a 3D content creation toll.

Nothing at all about games, I watched the whole stream live, AMD were very very clear with Ryan, the FE edition is not the gaming variant, that is the RX, there are no available gaming drivers for vega at all, Ryan did ask for them and that is what he was told. He was also told the gaming performance on the RX variant would be higher.
 
Auto Desk Maya is not a game.... Bloody Hell.

I can see you never bothered to actually read the AMD vega page. .

Try reading what AMD have said about the card and what their own information is without your own bias about on it.

When AMD driver section lists
DRIVER DOWNLOAD
I Just Want to Game
If you want to game on a Windows® platform, get your driver here and switch to “Gaming Mode.”

And you decide No there isnt a gaming driver and reviewers should not test gaming the mind boggles.
 
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