Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

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Nah, it's just the hardware that sucks, got nothing to do with drivers man!!!!!!



And see that there is the problem, people remember every little thing that AMD do wrong but when it comes to nvidia, people forget or just sweep it under the carpet like it is no big deal:

- 970 and the whole 3.5gb of ram fiasco, not to mention the coil whine issues
- people making a big song and dance about amd cards running hot and loud and throttling, look at nvidias recent high end GPUs...... or even better the 470/480.....
- dx 12/async fiasco on nvidias current cards
- didn't they also release a driver update not just for 1 but 2 GPUs where the fan(s) stopped working after coming out of sleep mode or something

And many many other things.

But yes, nvidia generally handle their launch day/reviews better than AMD lately.

As for the 290/290x, they are fantastic cards still, just look at how well they are performing 4+ years later.....

But that is the point - the launches are better and first impressions count. Its the same with things outside computers too - things like cameras,etc or basically even things like cars.

Its why this all irritates me so much,AMD probably has spent a decent amount of money on the GPUs,cards and developing new tech,only for them to fall at the last hurdle. The R9 290X/R9 290 are a prime example of that - a slightly better cooler and no quiet mode,and Nvidia would have been pushed far more.

Its the same with this card,they should have just been honest and said the gaming drivers were not representative of final performance, as they don't utilise all the new features we have developed yet,and a proper gaming optimised driver would be released at the same time as the RX Vega.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I can see you never bothered to actually read the AMD vega page. .

Try reading what AMD have said about the card and what their own information is without your own bias about on it.

When AMD driver section lists


And you decide No there isnt a gaming driver and reviewers should not test gaming the mind boggles.

There isn't a gaming driver though. It's the exact same driver as the "pro" driver. AMD even told Pcper there is no performance difference between Pro and Gaming mode.

Pcper tested it and confirmed nothing changes between gaming mode and pro, just the UI changes and it allows you to select AA for games in drivers.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...updated-june-30.2508928/page-18#post-38961668

Expect no performance delta between Gaming and Pro mode. Shipping driver is current, but is not comparable to RX Vega driver."
PCPer Ryan quoting AMD

 

[five8five]

The problem is headline garbing gutter reviewers like PcPer treating the card as a gaming card despite being told by AMD that its not.

They were also told the gaming performance on the RX version of the card would be much higher, again PcPer ignored that and reviewed the FE card as if its a gaming card at its final gaming performance.

AMD have had a PR disasters in the past but on this occasion its reviewers like Ryan Sprout knowingly misrepresenting the cards.

If someone like Ryan Shrout decides to troll AMD for click bait there isn't anything they can do about it.

Humbug, you are completely wrong.

PCper checked with AMD if it was okay to test games and if the drivers were the latest. AMD said yes.
They are also going to do Pro tests.

 

[triss]

There isn't a gaming driver though. It's the exact same driver as the "pro" driver. AMD even told Pcper there is no performance difference between Pro and Gaming mode.

Pcper tested it and confirmed nothing changes between gaming mode and pro, just the UI changes and it allows you to select AA for games in drivers.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...updated-june-30.2508928/page-18#post-38961668

So its multi purpose pro and gaming driver . If one day they do release a better gaming driver (not saying they will) whose fault is that atm AMDs or the reviewers . I'd suspect the driver atm does better in gaming than say a Firepro driver would.
End of the day AMD have a i just want to game option for picking a driver so they do assume people will buy it just to game.

 

[Erik13]

I got excited by that but PCPER retested it:
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...tier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Fallout-4

Did he explain how this happened ?

 

[humbug]

I can see you never bothered to actually read the AMD vega page. .

Try reading what AMD have said about the card and what their own information is without your own bias about on it.

When AMD driver section lists


And you decide No there isnt a gaming driver and reviewers should not test gaming the mind boggles.

Its a gaming mode for a card that is not for gaming, this is the difference people are struggling to understand, nowhere in that does it say its a gaming card, what you obviously don't know is a workstation card has the ability to play games, when you are making games you need it to play those games too, that doesn't mean it will do it anything like as well as a dedicated gaming card.

This is where your logic falls down, it can play games yes, AMD say it can play games, does that mean its a gaming card? no, did AMD say it was a gaming card? no, they said it was not a gaming card and not indicative of the gaming variants gaming performance.

Can and Is are not the same thing.

The fact that it needs a "gaming mode" should tell you this is not a dedicated gaming card.

 

[Rroff]

Humbug, you are completely wrong.

PCper checked with AMD if it was okay to test games and if the drivers were the latest. AMD said yes.
They are also going to do Pro tests.

I wouldn't say completely wrong - AMD were emphatic that people would want the RX Vega version for gaming performance however I disagree strongly that the PR disaster isn't AMD's fault - its pretty much inevitable and easily foreseeable that people would benchmark the FE edition to try and get a feel for Vega gaming performance and that and the lack of proper communication with consumers by AMD is the cause of the PR disaster nothing to do with PCPer.

 

[JediFragger]

AMD also stated the performance increase would be +50% from the Fury X. Given the clock speeds that is pretty much what the card is. An overclocked Fury X.

With a lengthened pipeline so performance takes a hit.

 

[five8five]

One, no they didn't, you just made that up.

Two, nVidia say the Titan Xp is a work station card.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

Raja said you can run Pro apps on the card and also game with it. If gaming is your priority wait for the RX.

Please don't bring up the is the Titan a gaming. It's been done to death. See the previous posts.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

So its multi purpose pro and gaming driver . If one day they do release a better gaming driver (not saying they will) whose fault is that atm AMDs or the reviewers . I'd suspect the driver atm does better in gaming than say a Firepro driver would.

A multi purpose driver that doesn't even enable tiled based rasterization, or HBCC by default. It's a mess, and who's fault is it? AMD's

Considering how well the FE does comapred to the Titan Xp in works tests, where as the "gaming" mode is barely able to beat an overclocked Fury X or 1070; despite 50% more TFlops, 50% more clocks, 100% the VRAM, and 70% more transistors; it points to the "gaming" part being useless at the moment.

 

[JediFragger]

But that is the point - the launches are better and first impressions count.

It's almost like they're professional. Shocking really...

 

[Erik13]

Expect no performance delta between Gaming and Pro mode. Shipping driver is current, but is not comparable to RX Vega driver."
PCPer Ryan quoting AMD

So they have different driver for Rx Vega ? Which means they intentionally gimped FE lol

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think it's more the specific section for gaming drivers for "just a gamer".

WTF.. how the hell is that even possible.. first getting near 1080ti result and then boom a retest and then less than the 1070. it screams something is awful wrong.

That is the point - they talk about gaming on the card,and then don't even release a proper gaming driver for it but then its not for gaming it seems. Not even Nvidia could get away with that one with the Titan Z.

Did he explain how this happened ?

Not sure if anyone has asked him yet,but the problem is the card had a weird power consumption pattern too,he said he had never seen before,which again might explain the high power consumption, especially if some of the power saving functionality needs proper software too.

 

[Jokester]

Its a gaming mode for a card that is not for gaming, this is the difference people are struggling to understand, nowhere in that does it say its a gaming card, what you obviously don't know is a workstation card has the ability to play games, when you are making games you need it to play those games too, that doesn't mean it will do it anything like as well as a dedicated gaming card.

This is where your logic falls down, it can play games yes, AMD say it can play games, does that mean its a gaming card? no, did AMD say it was a gaming card? no, they said it was not a gaming card and not indicative of the gaming variants gaming performance.

Can and is are not the same thing.

They should not have a link for a separate gaming driver (even if it is currently the same driver) if they don't want this to be seen as being a gaming card as well and they shouldn't have made comparisons to the FuryX during the launch either if it's not a gaming card.

 

[humbug]

They should not have a link for a separate gaming driver (even if it is currently the same driver) if they don't want this to be seen as being a gaming card as well and they shouldn't have made comparisons to the FuryX during the launch either if it's not a gaming card.

Its not, its not a separate link, its just the driver. there is only one driver for it, thats it.

 

[Rroff]

- people making a big song and dance about amd cards running hot and loud and throttling, look at nvidias recent high end GPUs...... or even better the 470/480.....

Thing is though in most cases where nVidia has hot and loud cards they also are the top performing cards available - it slightly mitigates those factors if you have the performance to back it up.

And with the nVidia 5800 cards they rightly got ripped to shreds for it where the cards were both hot, noisy and not the fastest by a mile.

 

[Jokester]

Its not, its not a separate link, its just the driver.

You don't get it though. The mere existence of a link from a section labelled "just a gamer" shows AMD view this as also being a gaming card.

 

[Raelgun]

Well, the top end performance just needs to match or be around the 1080ti level, however I would be happy with 1080 performance on a lower end model, this being I want one of those high refresh rate samsung monitors that are also 1440p, a Nvidia 1080 type performance would not bother me if I can utilise said monitors. There isn't a reasonably priced Gsync monitor I want and no Gsync monitor in existence has the specs of the new HDR samsung monitors.

 

[five8five]

They should not have a link for a separate gaming driver (even if it is currently the same driver) if they don't want this to be seen as being a gaming card as well and they shouldn't have made comparisons to the FuryX during the launch either if it's not a gaming card.

It's also got a gaming control panel and yet you can't game on it!

 

[Mtom]

It doesn't even look like a 14nm Fiji at the moment, if you put Fiji on 14nm and gave it a die size of 590mm2 it would be killing this FE (a Fury X on 14nm would be about 290mm2)

Exactly thats why we know the drivers are nowhere ready