Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

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While pulling off the size and height difference with the type of dress he typically wore and standing on something would pull it off in that scene - it seems highly unlikely she'd have managed to fool people between killing him and then the moment of pretending to be him in the hall. But I can kind of move past that as it is sort of what those faceless people do.

I'm not sure the size issue is even an 'issue' at all - there is something 'magical' about the assassin thing, they're not just gluing on a bit of flesh - see the scene where the man pulls off multiple faces turning into multiple people... it is more like they can turn into a physical representation of that person... the height thing is a red herring really
 
I'm not sure the size issue is even an 'issue' at all - there is something 'magical' about the assassin thing, they're not just gluing on a bit of flesh - see the scene where the man pulls off multiple faces turning into multiple people... it is more like they can turn into a physical representation of that person... the height thing is a red herring really

Exactly, we've already seen size changes from the faceless men. It isn't a disguise, it's magic.
 
She was standing on a box and had arm extensions.

Meh, it was more realistic when it was a full grown man disguised as another full grown man.

An actual small female disguised as a full grown man is awkward. Just like when the cut where the mask was being pulled off and she lost about a foot and a half in height.

Call it magic but that's just another term for BS and it felt better when it was in the realm of credible disguise trickery.

Exactly, we've already seen size changes from the faceless men. It isn't a disguise, it's magic.

Where did that happen in a significant way.
 
You have to have a little imagination. How could Arya, who is meant to be about 13, sound like Walder who is probably 80 or 90? Putting on a Mask alone wouldn't do that.

It's better if you just believe it. The very fact she has the ability to do this shows she passed her training and is simply just playing the character of Arya Stark, rather than actually being her.
 
Yeah the scene seemed a little off for me, Ed came across quite awkward in it as well sitting smiling into nothingness, I was probably just more focused on him during that scene due to recognising him though.

yeah it looked weird - he had this gormless smile on his face.
he can't act to the standard of GOT and shouldn't have been in.
Apart from that the episode was 'ok' - not a lot happened but thats normal for GOT.
I expected it to end on a more of a cliffhanger note though - when it finish i just thought, 'oh, it that it?'
 
yeah it looked weird - he had this gormless smile on his face.
he can't act to the standard of GOT and shouldn't have been in.
Apart from that the episode was 'ok' - not a lot happened but thats normal for GOT.
I expected it to end on a more of a cliffhanger note though - when it finish i just thought, 'oh, it that it?'

+1 to the Ed 'Jarring' Sheeran moment.

He could have at least sat there and shut his mouth. And tried a scowl or something. It felt that everyone in the group was driven by being with nice guy Ed. Their soft stories and jovial attitude just didn't fit.
 
PJ & Duncan for House Stark. Northerners represent!

Haha, this was my thoughts too. "Let's get ready for Winter?" :D

Ed being in it was fine for me, until the bit where the group started to slate King's Landing. His line "worst place in the world" was so cringy.
 
I hate pointless cameos, because they drag me out of the story in a really jarring way. Something in the background you only notice when it's pointed out is one thing, but this was indulgent.

Yes, well... the team's done such a good job so far, they were bound to get a bit over-confident eventually.

I also spent a bit of time rewatching a few scenes looking for power tools. Either the Iron Islanders are sponsored by DeWalt, or The Drowned God has a team of octupuses for hire.

Otherwise it was a strong start. Clegane stole the show again for me. "Why are you always in such a foul mood?" :) Great writing.
 
There's been plenty of cameos before but they have never drawn attention to it, most people wouldn't recognize them as they are done how a cameo on this style of show should be done.
 
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She was standing on a box and had arm extensions.

Meh, it was more realistic when it was a full grown man disguised as another full grown man.

An actual small female disguised as a full grown man is awkward. Just like when the cut where the mask was being pulled off and she lost about a foot and a half in height.

Call it magic but that's just another term for BS and it felt better when it was in the realm of credible disguise trickery.

oh come off it - did you miss the dragons, the walking dead people and the shadow assassin thing... not to mention the scene where we've already seen the faceless man remove multiple faces and turn into multiple different people... oh and temporarily blind Arya then give her her sight back etc..

yes it is 'magic' just like lots of other things in the show - I don't see the need for selective skepticism in this instance, why is the 'magic' here less valid than the dead being brought back to life?

Where did that happen in a significant way.

happened in the temple - he pulled off multiple faces right after another 'him' died drinking the poison water.... thus these aren't just random disguises being glued on but something a bit more than that
 
Person being a different height...madness.

Kid seeing through the eyes of a three eyed raven...no problem there.
 
oh come off it - did you miss the dragons, the walking dead people and the shadow assassin thing... not to mention the scene where we've already seen the faceless man remove multiple faces and turn into multiple different people... oh and temporarily blind Arya then give her her sight back etc..

yes it is 'magic' just like lots of other things in the show - I don't see the need for selective skepticism in this instance, why is the 'magic' here less valid than the dead being brought back to life?

Because "magic" is BS, deus ex machina, being downright lazy and the disguising could have been something plausibly real instead of falling back on "because MAGIC"

Apart from anything else I don't recall any of that being taught to Arya, she was taught some fighting, how to be less noticed and then she killed someone, skinned them and quit.

So she either picked up a practical disguise talent or learned how to transform "magically" without us ever seeing her being taught or considered important enough to be taught it.

I liked the first explanation.
 
Because "magic" is BS, deus ex machina, being downright lazy and the disguising could have been something plausibly real instead of falling back on "because MAGIC"

Apart from anything else I don't recall any of that being taught to Arya, she was taught some fighting, how to be less noticed and then she killed someone, skinned them and quit.

So she either picked up a practical disguise talent or learned how to transform "magically" without us ever seeing her being taught or considered important enough to be taught it.

I liked the first explanation.

Why does it have to be something 'real' rather than magic? You're not explaining why you've got an issue with this but not with the dragons, the dead coming back to life etc..?

take a look at this scene from season 5:


a faceless man with Jaqen's face dies, but then the waif behind Arya wasn't the waif and is revealed to be Jaqen... the voice changes from the waif's to Jaqen's along with his body but the outfit remains the same

then Arya multiple faces are removed from the dead body... and at the end sees her own face!

why no complaints about the waif's body vs Jaqen's body here? How do you explain Jaqen or Arya's face on that dead body without 'magic'?

this is clearly more than simply cutting out and sticking a dead person's face on her own - and yes 'magic' is the explanation - there isn't a real world explanation for it and we saw that two seasons ago
 
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