Neighbour issuing parking tickets!

Dis86 · 20 Jul 2017 at 10:19

Burnsy2023 said:
So if he does indeed own the land outside of his house and he has relevant signage and goes through the BPA process, what is stopping this from being taken to court and enforced? How is this different from other private parking enforcement? Whilst I get that many don't enforce the tickets due to the economics, that doesn't mean they can't.

Well his signage is crap for a start. I believe you also have to be registered and there's no evidence that he is.

moogle · 20 Jul 2017 at 10:44

Avenged7Fold said:
Copied from a pdf FAQ on private streets and public highway rights obtained off some local council site (seems to be pretty much on most council websites with slight rewording):

Because the whole road is not a privately maintained highway, the neighbour cant say it is trespassing to park there and really has no right to issue those fines. Having a portion of the pavement and road does not make that portion a private part of the highway.

Correct. Just because the title boundary shows the red line to the centre of the road doesn't mean they legally own that part of the public highway, unless it's a private road.

danlightbulb · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:15

Uther said:
...he'll probably resort to other methods, which means people parking there will need a tyre pump with them...

Out of interest is it illegal to let someone's tyres down?

moogle · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:16

danlightbulb said:
Out of interest is it illegal to let someone's tyres down?

Wasn't someone charged with theft of air or something of the sort for that?
Also you could be charged for damage to the tyres as the car bearing down on them unpressurised would either cause damage to them and the rims I'd assume.

Dis86 · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:17

moogle said:
Wasn't someone charged with theft of air or something of the sort for that?

No. Someone told me that's what I would be charged with but I think it was burnsy pointed out that actually you'd be charged with interfering with a motor vehicle.

danlightbulb · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:24

Dis86 said:
No. Someone told me that's what I would be charged with but I think it was burnsy pointed out that actually you'd be charged with interfering with a motor vehicle.

Just looked up that bit of legislation and doesn't seem to apply to case of letting tyres down.

Uther · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:36

If he's that angry about the parking I'd be more worried about getting keyed.

Dis86 · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:38

Uther said:
If he's that angry about the parking I'd be more worried about getting keyed.

He's be suspect number 1 though and all itnwould take is 1 dashcam or witness.

UTmaniac · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:41

Note to self: Find property with odd ownership of road outside normal boundaries, add signs; attach fines; profit.

Malt_Vinegar · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:42

Council have told me I have to take it up with local council, not the county council. They then said that if this is not covered by them, I would have to speak to the Police.
Will get on to the local guys asap.

Dis86 · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:44

Malt_Vinegar said:
Council have told me I have to take it up with local council, not the county council. They then said that if this is not covered by them, I would have to speak to the Police.
Will get on to the local guys asap.

Sounds about par for councils. Someone else's problem. Dot be surprised when the local direct you to the police and the police back to the local.

Uther · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:47

Malt_Vinegar said:
Council have told me I have to take it up with local council, not the county council. They then said that if this is not covered by them, I would have to speak to the Police.
Will get on to the local guys asap.

Doubt you'll get anywhere.

platypus · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:56

danlightbulb said:
Out of interest is it illegal to let someone's tyres down?

I would imagine so, yes, as you could conceivably be creating conditions for an accident.

Malt_Vinegar · 20 Jul 2017 at 12:00

The local council are already aware...
They have had this raised from the Parish Council, and are currently investigating.
They believe that this will be "resolved" within 7-10 days.

danlightbulb · 20 Jul 2017 at 12:04

platypus said:
I would imagine so, yes, as you could conceivably be creating conditions for an accident.

Not really because it is the drivers responsibility to ensure tyres at correct pressure prior to driving. Now cutting brake lines I could see that would be the case, but letting tyres down?

Jamesyboyjim · 20 Jul 2017 at 12:43

danlightbulb said:
Not really because it is the drivers responsibility to ensure tyres at correct pressure prior to driving. Now cutting brake lines I could see that would be the case, but letting tyres down?

I don't know about that. I'd imagine if you were caught letting someone's tyres down, they drove off crashed and was killed because they lost control or couldn't stop in time etc, you could be looking at a manslaughter charge.

Yaayuh! · 20 Jul 2017 at 12:44

Malt_Vinegar said:
The local council are already aware...
They have had this raised from the Parish Council, and are currently investigating.
They believe that this will be "resolved" within 7-10 days.

IIRC that's 7-10 days from Christmas

danlightbulb · 20 Jul 2017 at 12:45

Jamesyboyjim said:
I don't know about that. I'd imagine if you were caught letting someone's tyres down, they drove off crashed and was killed because they lost control or couldn't stop in time etc, you could be looking at a manslaughter charge.

Possibly. How about propping a nail up against the tyre, so that you don't actually let the air out but when the car moves forward a puncture is caused?

Jamesyboyjim · 20 Jul 2017 at 12:48

danlightbulb said:
Possibly. How about propping a nail up against the tyre, so that you don't actually let the air out but when the car moves forward a puncture is caused?

Well good luck proving it but if you were caught by CCTV perhaps, then the police could try and throw the blame at you.

platypus · 20 Jul 2017 at 13:26

danlightbulb said:
Not really because it is the drivers responsibility to ensure tyres at correct pressure prior to driving. Now cutting brake lines I could see that would be the case, but letting tyres down?

You're right that they should be checking tyres before every journey, but I wouldn't have thought that completely absolves you of responsibility if you let the tyres down in first place.