Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

£80 million spread over 5 years with the rest being made up of addons like winning multiple Champions League titles and the Ballon D'or.

Few reports are saying we want it all upfront so perhaps we are willing to sell.
 
What's interesting is why a club that's just received a straight £200m fee for Neymar aren't in a position to offer a big percentage of the guaranteed transfer fee up front. I can understand the add-ons are there to safeguard them, so they only pay that headline figure if Coutinho becomes worth it but of the £80m odd that's guaranteed, why try to just pay £16m of it up front?

Barca's finances have always been a bit of a mystery but I've read a few bits and pieces suggesting that the cost of new deals for Messi (+ a few others) and the work on the stadium have hit them hard. That could be a lot of nonsense though and they just don't want to show their hand too early as it will weaken their position if and when Liverpool do negotiate with them. The irony with that is had Barca made a serious cash bid (around the £100m mark) 3 weeks ago when it was clear Neymar was off, they'd have had a far better chance of getting Coutinho.

Robbo said:
Would anything change though if Barca offered £120m up front? Liverpool are giving the impression they won't sell him whatever the offer. I don't think he's worth that or irreplaceable but as people have said, Liverpool will end up in the same position as Barcelona are in now, so they'll have to massively overpay for a replacement who probably won't be as good, at least to start with.

The only way I can see anything changing is if Coutinho acts like a total **** (it won't bother Barca) and forces his way out in a somewhat unprofessional manner.
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It's difficult to put a set figure on what Liverpool will sell for. The question is whether they can take that money and bring players in that will make us better off - it's no good taking £100m if we can't sign an equally good replacement or improve the side as a whole for that much.

If Barca came back with an offer that gave us enough money to make offers for Keita & VvD that Red Bull & Southampton couldn't refuse and sign somebody like a Draxler or Pulisic then you push for as much as you can but ultimately you sell. How much that magical figure will be will depend on what the club feel it will cost us to end up better off.
 
I think VvD, Draxler and Keita would put Liverpool in a much better position than just having Coutinho, but you're talking £150m+ at least for the three...
 
Robbo said:
I think VvD, Draxler and Keita would put Liverpool in a much better position than just having Coutinho, but you're talking £150m+ at least for the three...
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It would cost much more than £150m but I didn't mean sign them with just the Coutinho money. We already set aside £50m for VvD and £70m for Keita but it doesn't appear as if that is enough to persuade either Southampton or Red Bull to sell. If for example Barca come back with a straight cash offer of £110m, we could then increase those fees by £20m each and still have £70m odd to hopefully sign a top attacking mid/winger/forward.

I'm just using those figures as examples though - I have no idea whether an extra £20m apiece will be enough to get VvD or Keita and whether we could sign a quality forward for £70m. As has been said before, as soon as we take Barca's money the cost of signing replacements will increase.
 
Yes on reflection I wasn't adding the Draxler cost, though haven't Red Bull and Southampton pretty much refused to sell them for £70m and £50m respectively already.
 
Robbo said:
Yes on reflection I wasn't adding the Draxler cost, though haven't Red Bull and Southampton pretty much refused to sell them for £70m and £50m respectively already.
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Seemingly so but the point I was making was that we could take part of any Coutinho fee and increase those bids & hopefully sign a forward too - take £40m from the Coutinho money and increase our bids to £70m and £90m + sign a forward with the rest. Or at least that would be the most logical way for us to end up better off by selling Coutinho - we're not going to be able to sign a like for like replacement for the same amount.
 
JohnnyG said:
The Chelsea/Conte/Costa situation is quite funny at the moment.
The press completely ignore what's said by the club and Conte regarding how happy he is at the club, how in tune he is with the hierarchy and his long term desires here and just focus on what Costa says and how badly he's been treated etc
Conte and the club aren't at odds about anything to do with Costa or a lack of signings, it's Costa who's bat**** and that's all that matters as far as stories go.
As is always the case I guess reality is never as sellable as myth in football.
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He told him via text he wasn't wanted by the club, poor man management to someone who was your top scorer and was key to Conte winning a title in his 1st season. Wouldn't surprise if this whole fiasco has ****** off Abramovich. Very poor way of handling things
 
Trusty said:
He told him via text he wasn't wanted by the club, poor man management to someone who was your top scorer and was key to Conte winning a title in his 1st season. Wouldn't surprise if this whole fiasco has ****** off Abramovich. Very poor way of handling things
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Costa wanted to leave and has been (reportedly at least) trying to do so for 2 years. It's no surprise that Chelsea wanted him gone and were looking to build without him. As I've said, the mistake was Conte telling that before a deal was on the table.
 
Yeah, reports have said he's been unhappy and he's said they are rubbish..who knows what to believe. You've got assume he's been happy to play for Chelsea, he gave an interview recently saying if it was his choice, he'd be playing at the moment, helping Chelsea, but obviously he's fallen out with Conte. For me, Conte is the leader and i don't think you should send a text to your top goalscorer from your previous winning league season saying he's not needed, at least tell him face to face.
 
Conte and Costa have both cost Chelsea this season and I can see both not being there next season, so Chelsea fans lose out because of two idiots.
 
Trusty said:
Yeah, reports have said he's been unhappy and he's said they are rubbish..who knows what to believe. You've got assume he's been happy to play for Chelsea, he gave an interview recently saying if it was his choice, he'd be playing at the moment, helping Chelsea, but obviously he's fallen out with Conte. For me, Conte is the leader and i don't think you should send a text to your top goalscorer from your previous winning league season saying he's not needed, at least tell him face to face.
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Players and clubs are always very political when it comes to who's to blame for a transfer. Costa may well be saying stories linking him with a move away are or were rubbish but when they're going on for over 2 years you've got to ask yourself why. You only have to look back to last January when the situation very nearly blew up. It was strongly reported and I don't think he or anybody disputed it, that he'd received a massive offer to go to China and wanted to leave - right in the middle of Chelsea going for the title. He ended up out of the side for a couple of games while the situation was resolved.

Whether by text or face to face, the mistake from Conte was telling him he had no future before there was a serious offer to buy him.
 
The China thing wasn't true though, he never wanted to leave, the bust up was over fitness, the fitness coach told him he couldn't play but he said otherwise, to me, that shows passion to play for the club and help them.

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“I will only leave Chelsea for Atlético. If not, I will stay here. I'm not interested in other clubs.
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The China stories were still being reported at the start of the summer - 5 seconds on google and I can find reports that Costa & his agent were even pictured meeting reps from some Chinese club.
 
That's irrelevant. If the season is over, that's fine, but the bust up wasn't over a move to China. He's quite adamant that he want's to go back to Atletico.
 
Trusty said:
That's irrelevant. If the season is over, that's fine, but the bust up wasn't over a move to China. He's quite adamant that he want's to go back to Atletico.
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He's adamant that he wants to join Atletico now, after the China transfer was blocked by a new tax brought about. Can you find anything reliable saying the bust-up wasn't linked to a potential deal to China?
 
That quotation was from the Telegraph. If he wants to go to China, then why isn't he going? why has he said he doesn't want to go, he only want's to go back to Atletico. Chelsea would prefer to sell to China, they'll get more money, Costa will get a bigger wage as well, so if he's wanted to go, why hasn't he gone already?
 
Because Chelsea didn't want to sell in January when competing for the title and now no one in China wants him or will pay the money for him that they offered before the tax rule.
 
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