Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

Mark1989 said:
It shows have much barca have fallen and how desperate there becoming.

They want countinho as you say to kick up a fuss like dembele has.

I honestly think barca were convinced neymar would stay
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How far they have fallen? They finished 3 points behind last season. Outside of Spain only Monaco and juventus got further in the champions league. They have 2 of the best 3 players in the world. Yet because they got schooled by the best team this shows how far they have fallen? Or much more likely they are still one of two biggest draws in the world and they think this will panic Couhinto?

Yeah they lost Neymar but all this natural successor to Messi stuff is rubbish, he was in his shadow because he's a shadow of his ability and that of Suarez. By the time Messi gives up there will be a new golden boy they will buy.
 
dannyjo22 said:
How far they have fallen? They finished 3 points behind last season. Outside of Spain only Monaco and juventus got further in the champions league. They have 2 of the best 3 players in the world. Yet because they got schooled by the best team this shows how far they have fallen? Or much more likely they are still one of two biggest draws in the world and they think this will panic Couhinto?

Yeah they lost Neymar but all this natural successor to Messi stuff is rubbish, he was in his shadow because he's a shadow of his ability and that of Suarez. By the time Messi gives up there will be a new golden boy they will buy.
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I mean in the transfer sense not being able to get players due to them just being barcalona.

Usual when they come in the players there after are gone by now. There a club that used to always have great youth being used too which they rarely do these days

There not the same barcalona and haven't been for awhile in an off pitch sense
 
They have never been able to instantly sign players 'just because they're Barca'. That only helps with regards to the player wanting to join and that'll be the case for a long time barring some sort of disaster. Liverpool are rightly extorting them because they're Barca. Also add the fact they just sold Neymar for 220m.

They get extorted for turds all the time, which is a fault of the board and part and parcel of being Barcelona.
 
Don't forget the whole Catalan aspect of signing for Barca and their recent troubles with transfers. They need a new President as they are a shambles off field.
 
After psg triggering neymar release clause some one triggering Messi would not surprise me at all.

When you compare his to Ronaldo for example it's insane in the difference.

I don't see Messi ever leaving them one of reasons I actually prefer and think Ronaldo is the better footballer, he has proved himself in different leagues where as Messi beaten same team over and over again
 
Mark1989 said:
After psg triggering neymar release clause some one triggering Messi would not surprise me at all.

When you compare his to Ronaldo for example it's insane in the difference.

I don't see Messi ever leaving them one of reasons I actually prefer and think Ronaldo is the better footballer, he has proved himself in different leagues where as Messi beaten same team over and over again
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Ronaldo >>>>> Messi

agree 100%
 
I'd have to agree. Messi is past his prime yet Barca still push everything around him. Neymar knew this and how can you win the Ballon D'or when you're in what is essentially Messi's team. Also if you look internationally, what has Messi won? nothing really. At least Ronaldo can claim to have guided a Portugal team which, all things considered, is lesser than Messi's Argentina to their respective local association tournament win.
 
Gonna have to to disagree with you all. Messi's stats are yet to show visible decline whereas Ronaldo has gone from 60 goals three seasons ago, to 50 two seasons ago to 40 goals last season. He's also two years older and more reliant on his physical attributes than Messi so age will have more of an impact on his body.

I see Ronaldo retiring as soon as he's no longer considered one of the best in the world whereas Messi's role will change and he'll become more of a creative number 10, just not for City in the Premiership.
 
Really didn't want that to turn into a Messi-Ronadlo debate, but he quite literally said Ronaldo is a better footballer than Messi, FFS. There's an Italian and a Brazilian at PSG who are better footballers than Ronaldo. Sure, you may prefer him* or think he's a better finisher, but pure footballing ability? Howay.

*If you're a Man United fan or sexual predator.
 
Moses said:
Ronaldo > Messi, because the latter was pumped full of human growth hormone.

Obviously it was counteract a medical issue, but it feels a bit weird he went from super weak to being incredibly strong for his size. Did he benefit from it more than he should have? Did it more than counteract a deficiency and instead went over that and was performance enhancing above what his natural performance would have been if he was never deficient?

*walks away from explosion*
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Agree entirely, it's left him with far greater strength stamina and speed than he ever would have had.
 
nemtizz said:
Really didn't want that to turn into a Messi-Ronadlo debate, but he quite literally said Ronaldo is a better footballer than Messi, FFS. There's an Italian and a Brazilian at PSG who are better footballers than Ronaldo. Sure, you may prefer him* or think he's a better finisher, but pure footballing ability? Howay.

*If you're a Man United fan or sexual predator.
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I'm a Liverpool fan, and I think Ronaldo has been the better attacker than Messi. Whatever you mean by highlighting 'footballer' I'm not sure, but if it was down to who I'd want in a neutral team a couple of years back I would have probably picked Ronaldo. Obviously it would have depended on the rest of the team around them as they were very different players, but purely in an attacking sense I think Ronaldo was always a more rounded player than Messi. Messi was a touch better on the floor and creating for others, but Ronaldo carried an aerial threat too, which left the opposition with all sorts of problems over and above what Messi did, in my opinion.

As for Messi leaving, after Neymar (and Coutinho/Dembele potentially) nobody could rule it out, but obviously anyone paying £300m for a 30 year old is nuts, no matter how good they are or how long they have left. It won't happen - it's far too late in the window for what would be a very complex deal and the 'sources' are pretty much the exact opposite of reliable. There was more chance of Ronaldo rejoining Man Utd in the past few years. And more chance of Bale than Ronaldo. And neither of those were even close to happening. There's more likelihood of Paulinho joining Barcelona than Messi moving anywhere this season...
 
I think what nemtizz means by footballer is from a pure technical ability point of view, Messi is superior to Ronaldo. I agree, he is and is better than anybody else on the planet by a distance. Where Ronaldo bridges the gap and has made him similarly effective is through his physicality - Ronaldo's size, pace and power compensates for not being technically as good as Messi.

I hate to think just how good Messi could have been had he been born with Ronaldo's genes.
 
nemtizz said:
Really didn't want that to turn into a Messi-Ronadlo debate, but he quite literally said Ronaldo is a better footballer than Messi, FFS. There's an Italian and a Brazilian at PSG who are better footballers than Ronaldo. Sure, you may prefer him* or think he's a better finisher, but pure footballing ability? Howay.

*If you're a Man United fan or sexual predator.
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Liverpool supporter, and by looks of the post it's only you who thinks Messi is better and your entitled to your view.

If baz is right and you mean Messi technical ability, there is more to football than just some ones technical ability.

I take it account leagues they have played in, challenges a player takes on, aswell as the usual stats of ability, goals etc

Messi is a barca legend, he has won everything possible in la liga, he is also poor for Argentina, never tested himself in another league.

Ronaldo has done the latter and won medals in both situations. He has made himself better, does it look like it comes fully natural to him like Messi not at all but it shows even more to me imo how much more Ronaldo achieved using his own technical ability and determination to become the player he has
 
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BaZ87 said:
I hate to think just how good Messi could have been had he been born with Ronaldo's genes.
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Those sort of hypothetical questions could be directed at anyone above the average in most sports though.

Alongside his technical ability, Messi's key is his low centre of gravity combined with his upper-body strength - if, for example, 15 years ago you gave him Ronaldo's height and reach he would almost certainly have lost much of one of his greatest assets.

I'm not going to argue one is better than the other, merely which one I would chose in a hypothetical world, and there's a clear case for either. I'm just biting on nemitzz's bait of "If you're a Man United fan" then you'd prefer Ronaldo - I'm the opposite of a Man Utd fan and I'd still prefer Ronaldo. Obviously they're both greats of the game in our time, but change either in even a small way and you would potentially lose a lot what makes them greats.
 
I'm a United fan and I've always preferred Messi. Ronaldo is an outstanding goalscorer but he's more selfish and I don't like his temper tantrums when he's not the centre of attention on the pitch. I admire his drive and determination to be the best, his work-rate is second to none, but I've always preferred watching Messi. Ronaldo scores some great goals but he doesn't have the technical ability on the ball that Messi has, and people who can dribble with the ball and beat players are the type of player I prefer to watch. Look at the stats for confirmation of Messi's greater ability. He's only 50 career goals behind Ronaldo from 160 fewer appearances, has a better goal ratio in every competition except at international level, has more assists, more goals in La Liga, and less of his goals have come from the penalty spot. Sure, he's disappointed at international level but I've never understood the argument that a player has to win international trophies to prove their quality.

Anyway, on topic there is no way Citeh are buying him. Sanchez, on the other hand, is a realistic target imo.
 
Messi is by far the better player. Messi is the best footballer in history by some distance in my opinion. Ronaldo has done something magical a few times in his career, messi has done something magical dozens of times. You have to admire ronaldo for many facets of his game but messi is a genius with a ball at his feet. On his day he will take the ball from the halfway line and beat an entire team before making the keeper look silly. Ronaldo will lead a great counter attack but it's not the same.

It's a bit like comparing Federer to Djokovic. One is the product of hard work and determination and one is an artist and a joy to watch.
 
this_is_gav said:
Those sort of hypothetical questions could be directed at anyone above the average in most sports though.
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Of course and I was just thinking out loud. And while I agree that Messi's low centre of gravity helps, it's not as big an advantage of being 6 foot 2 with the pace and power of Ronaldo, not in my opinion anyway.
 
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