Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

[Glanza]

It's the reflection of his glove causing it to go dark, if you watch the scene again it only goes black once his glove hits the floor behind it.

 

[Squark]

Is it not made from weirwood and can't Bran warg into anything made of that?

Spoiler: Book comparison/reference

He can see through the 'eyes' carved on the heart-trees if I recall the books correctly.

 

[SixTwoSix]

How did he see the tower of joy, swear there were no weirwoods nearby.

 

[Squark]

How did he see the tower of joy, swear there were no weirwoods nearby.

D&D changing things to suit for the series I think.

 

[DrToffnar]

Is it not made from weirwood and can't Bran warg into anything made of that?

In the books it's definitely not. A stone carver fashioned it. I highly doubt men of the north would chop down Weirwood trees to make fashionable ornaments for anything.

 

[dowie]

D&D changing things to suit for the series I think.

the series doesn't make clear that he needs to weirwood trees to see, it isn't the books and I don't think people should necessarily rely on things they've read in the books to apply to the series

 

[Cern]

It's the reflection of his glove causing it to go dark, if you watch the scene again it only goes black once his glove hits the floor behind it.

I assume you mean shadow, rather than reflection? Anyway, the glove is off to one side. If it was shadow and the sockets were hollow, the whole eye would go dark. But instead we get an iris, which blinks open with animation rather than instantly as it would with a shadow (watch this back on slow motion, you'll see the iris animate open).

 

[chris4652009]

Iris was animated

 

[DrToffnar]

I assume you mean shadow, rather than reflection? Anyway, the glove is off to one side. If it was shadow and the sockets were hollow, the whole eye would go dark. But instead we get an iris, which blinks open with animation rather than instantly as it would with a shadow (watch this back on slow motion, you'll see the iris animate open).

I assume the material the eye is made of is domed, causing the light to refract inside it. The hand is hardly at the most extreme of angles.

 

[Glanza]

I assume you mean shadow, rather than reflection? Anyway, the glove is off to one side. If it was shadow and the sockets were hollow, the whole eye would go dark. But instead we get an iris, which blinks open with animation rather than instantly as it would with a shadow (watch this back on slow motion, you'll see the iris animate open).

https://i.imgur.com/mOEiYr4.mp4

The eyes are just a peice of crystal, you can see when his glove is particularly behind it only half the eye turns dark, the fills out when his hand is directly behind the handle

Right? The appearance of the reflection is perfectly time with Jon's hand hitting the ice. This doesnt have a deeper meaning.

Still, it's a lucky shot that resulted in a cool effect.

 

[DrToffnar]

Yep. They probably noticed it in post and thought, 'hey, that's actually pretty cool' and decided to leave it as is. Having Bran possess a sword would be the dumbest thing the shows ever done, and that's after this episode!! xD

 

[Cern]

I assume the material the eye is made of is domed, causing the light to refract inside it. The hand is hardly at the most extreme of angles.

The hand is behind the sword and off to one side. There's no way it can cause a reflection on a surface on the other side of the sword hilt, or refraction at that angle. That's not how light works.

Besides, the iris animates open. If it were a shadow or reflection it would be instant. This is not a "lucky shot that resulted in a cool effect", it's clearly added in post production.

 

[Greboth]

No it's not the shadow. Before Jon emerges the sword is laying there and the eye is all white. As his hand thumps down on the ice it's as if the sword wakes up, the eye blinks open and there's an iris.

Neither a shadow or reflection - the eye is clear or at least semi-transparent so you're seeing Jon's hand/arm through the eye. The (presumably) convex nature of the eyes would distort any image seen through them and could result in only the middle going black.

A quick google image search of this suggest that is all it is as the eyes seem to take the colour of what is behind it.

Edit: Unless the sword has 'opened' its eyes many time through the series and no-one has noticed before.

 

[Cern]

Neither a shadow or reflection - the eye is clear or at least semi-transparent so you're seeing Jon's hand/arm through the eye. The (presumably) convex nature of the eyes would distort any image seen through them and could result in only the middle going black.

A quick google image search of this suggest that is all it is as the eyes seem to take the colour of what is behind it.

Please watch the sequence in slow motion, you'll see the eye animate open in a smooth action over the course of several frames. If it were shadow, reflection or refraction it would be instant given how fast light travels.

 

[DrToffnar]

Please watch the sequence in slow motion, you'll see the eye animate open in a smooth action over the course of several frames. If it were shadow, reflection or refraction it would be instant given how fast light travels.

You're not accounting for focus time on the cameras side. I see what you mean, it does look smooth. But it's undoubtedly the hand imo.

Unless, like Greboth said, this has happened several times without anyone else noticing.

 

[Cern]

You're not accounting for focus time on the cameras side. I see what you mean, it does look smooth. But it's undoubtedly the hand imo.

Unless, like Greboth said, this has happened several times without anyone else noticing.

The focus doesn't shift until after the eye has opened.

 

[DrToffnar]

The focus doesn't shift until after the eye has opened.

Hand has come down*

;P

 

[Greboth]

Please watch the sequence in slow motion, you'll see the eye animate open in a smooth action over the course of several frames. If it were shadow, reflection or refraction it would be instant given how fast light travels.

You mean the smooth action of an object, lets say for argument sake a hand, appearing behind the 'lens' of the eyes and moving closer? I haven't watched it frame by frame but the best I have at work is some slow mo youtube videos which haven't convinced me that we aren't just seeing a warped image of Jon due to the shape of the glass/gem/jewel.

I can't link to images as work but as I said, if you Google other images of it from the show the eyes seem to always be the colour of the background suggesting they are fully or semi transparent.

 

[Mak3R]

Lol @ sword is alive theory, no. Just no. It's a sword and as previously mentioned the pommel was changed for Jon when given to him.

 

[Cern]

You mean the smooth action of an object, lets say for argument sake a hand, appearing behind the 'lens' of the eyes and moving closer? I haven't watched it frame by frame but the best I have at work is some slow mo youtube videos which haven't convinced me that we aren't just seeing a warped image of Jon due to the shape of the glass/gem/jewel.

I can't link to images as work but as I said, if you Google other images of it from the show the eyes seem to always be the colour of the background suggesting they are fully or semi transparent.

If you watch it in extreme slow motion, the hand is already down and *then* the eye animates open. It's very subtle but the timing seems like a deliberate post production effect.

When you see the other shots of the eyes as Jon hauls himself out of the water, you can see glints which suggest the eyes are crystal or jewels. But no iris anymore.

I find it funny that people can't cope with the idea that the sword (or at least the pommel) might be 'alive', or perhaps a conduit for Bran, whilst in the same episode we have flaming swords (that by the way no-one thinks to use to keep warm), Usain Gendry, supersonic ravens and dragons crossing entire continents in a flash to come to the rescue.

Oh well, we'll know next week if anything comes of it or not.