Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

[DrToffnar]

Most of that makes sense within the context and confines of the story. A sword that can be 'posessed' or is 'alive' does not.

Then again, the writing this episode was so poor that a possessed sword out of nowhere might just seem plausible.

 

[Cern]

Most of that makes sense within the context and confines of the story. A sword that can be 'posessed' or is 'alive' does not.

Well 'alive' might be pushing it, but I'm guessing it's more of a conduit for Bran's visions. How would that not fit into the context and confines of the story?

 

[CHokKA]

I think that the thing with the eye is a case of people seeing what they want to see. I've watched the video on Youtube, it's already been slowed down and then that was slowed down even more with the option on Youtube, and you can clearly see that the effect is caused by Jon's hand through the eye on the sword. Part of the sword still remains clear because the hand and the sword are at an angle.

Plus, when Bran has warged anything, the eye colour is full-white. Not black, and certainly not part white part dark.

 

[DrToffnar]

Well 'alive' might be pushing it, but I'm guessing it's more of a conduit for Bran's visions. How would that not fit into the context and confines of the story?

Because it's a sword. There are strict rules about what Bran can and can't warg into. If the show went against the books and the pommel was indeed made of Weirdwood instead of stone, I'd be ever so slightly more inclined to agree. But I'd still think it was stupid as well as nonsensical, seeing as the showrunners have specifically changed his perspective from the Weirwood trees themselves to him actually being there. When he travels through time, that is.

 

[Greboth]

If you watch it in extreme slow motion, the hand is already down and *then* the eye animates open. It's very subtle but the timing seems like a deliberate post production effect.

When you see the other shots of the eyes as Jon hauls himself out of the water, you can see glints which suggest the eyes are crystal or jewels. But no iris anymore.

I find it funny that people can't cope with the idea that the sword (or at least the pommel) might be 'alive', or perhaps a conduit for Bran, whilst in the same episode we have flaming swords (that by the way no-one thinks to use to keep warm), Usain Gendry, supersonic ravens and dragons crossing entire continents in a flash to come to the rescue.

Oh well, we'll know next week if anything comes of it or not.

I have no problem accepting the sword is alive or at least reactionary to Jon or even Bran warging if, and only if, they sufficiently explain how it works. Though based on that one scene and the little evidence I can find from other places I just don't think it is.

If it is something more I doubt we will get any decent explanation though due to the speed of the story telling in this season.

 

[Cern]

Because it's a sword. There are strict rules about what Bran can and can't warg into. If the show went against the books and the pommel was indeed made of Weirdwood instead of stone, I'd be ever so slightly more inclined to agree. But I'd still think it was stupid as well as nonsensical, seeing as the showrunners have specifically changed his perspective from the Weirwood trees themselves to him actually being there. When he travels through time, that is.

Stone would be an unusual material for a pommel. I've not read all the books, is it specifically stated in the books that the pommel of Longclaw is made of stone? The GOT Wiki doesn't mention the material.

 

[DrToffnar]

Stone would be an unusual material for a pommel. I've not read all the books, is it specifically stated in the books that the pommel of Longclaw is made of stone? The GOT Wiki doesn't mention the material.

To be fair, I can't actually remember specifically. I believe Mormont states he gave it to the stone mason/carver to make.

 

[Washout]

Would make more sense to be weirwood pommel than stone. Stone would just get smashed up. Sword belonged to Mormonts which is in the North so presumably they'd have their own grove of trees. Not beyond reason they might have used some for the pommel of their valyrian steel family blade.

They've had to blur Bran's abilities as they didn't do the tower of joy scene in the first season when Ned was feverish. If it was animated in then I reckon it's come from Martin telling them it'll have a part since Bran can only see via the weirwood in the books. Its not the sword itself becoming alive. The children carved those faces so the three eyed raven could see through them.

We'll see next week! Didn't notice it myself.

Would explain Benjin rocking up just in time if Bran has been pulling strings behind the scenes. Would be rather amusing if when the ship with Jon gets back to Dragonstone they have a runner come up to Dany with the message from the Raven that arrived three days after she left because a voice told her Jon was in trouble

 

[Freakbro]

This is quite interesting and clears up a lot of the perceived silliness with the whole dead army being stopped by a bit of melted ice/why the WW couldnt just kill Jon and co with hypersonic/hyperaccurate spears.

https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment...fying-than-anything-in-game-of-thrones-138883

I like that and it does make a lot more sense

It still doesn't excuse the failure of the episode to portray that better and the admission from the director (?) that they are taking liberties with the time framing

 

[DrToffnar]

Greboth put it a lot more eloquently then me. If they put the effort into explaining it, then I MIGHT buy it. For now, I can't see anything other then a blurred shape and at best, a stupid, nonsensical plot device.

 

[Surfer]

The masks that Sansa found look very familiar especially the 1st one. I think she's already got rid of Little Finger

Thought this as well. Only get a quick glimpse of the 1st one but it looked like LF!!

 

[dowie]

Would make more sense to be weirwood pommel than stone. Stone would just get smashed up. Sword belonged to Mormonts which is in the North so presumably they'd have their own grove of trees. Not beyond reason they might have used some for the pommel of their valyrian steel family blade.

I think it has been modified too though, I don't know whether it was completely replaced or just adjusted but Jon mentions having the wolf put on after being given the sword.

Would explain Benjin rocking up just in time if Bran has been pulling strings behind the scenes. Would be rather amusing if when the ship with Jon gets back to Dragonstone they have a runner come up to Dany with the message from the Raven that arrived three days after she left because a voice told her Jon was in trouble

that would be amusing, just to annoy some of the moaners from this thread

 

[DrToffnar]

I think it has been modified too though, I don't know whether it was completely replaced or just adjusted but Jon mentions having the wolf put on after being given the sword.



that would be amusing, just to annoy some of the moaners from this thread

I'm one of those moaners, but that would actually make a tad more sense. One of the reasons we're moaning is because it was completely ludicrous. The on screen definition of 'Deus Ex Machina'. Having Bran send them there would soften that particular blow, regardless of our wounded pride xD

 

[Smokey Deza]

Also agreeing with others on here, bringing Cersei a Wight is the stupidest plot ever. It was completely unnecessary and given everything we know about Cersei she wouldn't care anyway. Besides, she hasn't got much of an army left, unless you want to include some scrappy mercenaries.

Tyrion could have quite easily pointed that out, you know, being her sister 'n all, but lazy plot is lazy.

Anyway Maggy said Cersei would have only 3 children, not 4

 

[Somnambulist]

It's obvious Cersei isn't going to help them, but is it really the point in the grand scheme of things? I'm not sure. I have a theory it's ultimately a plot device to get Daenerys on the side of the common folk in a 'save the kingdom to win the people' way, because it's been a story point that she has to win hearts/minds in Westeros if she wants to rule in a fashion that's not just based on fear, but at the moment the prevailing view is she's a foreign invader leading an army of effnick savages.

1) gather everyone important to KL to demonstrate WW threat, lords etc will be aware and this will filter down to reg. people
2) show wight evidence
3) Cersei says she will/won't help, but whatever she says we already know she's not going really when it comes down to the crunch, but what's important is that her decision will be public knowledge across the 7 kingdoms
4) true threat revealed, Cersei demonstrates she only cares about the lions and not the sheep, probably goes full Mad Queen
5) Team Jonerys save the realm at great cost for dat bittersweet but ultimately triumphant ending
6) lords/common folk are all we <3 dragon queen

 

[Muban]

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[Muban]

Wait a minute, the stupid bloodwitch lady in Essos said that Dany couldn't have a child without sacrificing someone... i mean Jon already died once, surely this might count?

I don't remember her saying that? She has just sacrificed one of her 'children' (Viserion). Maybe that could count.

Now I need to go back to find out why she thinks she can't have children. She keeps saying it but was that just because of what happened to her first?

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Part of me hopes that the night king is just a moody version of the now dead "mad" king.

That way I don't have to think about the Uber Bran theory

 

[ChroniC]

Forgot to mention:



I do think he has some resistance to ice in a slightly similar way that Dany has to fire...though much much less. He was pulled into -20 freezing water im sure for at least a minute and gets out no worries and is fine?

I don't remember her saying that? She has just sacrificed one of her 'children' (Viserion). Maybe that could count.

Now I need to go back to find out why she thinks she can't have children. She keeps saying it but was that just because of what happened to her first?

It was because she used blood magic by killing her child to save Drogo, and all it did in the end was cause him to be a dribbling mess. It cursed her.

 

[dowie]

It's obvious Cersei isn't going to help them, but is it really the point in the grand scheme of things?

Possible but not obvious, she could have course help them and then turn on them before or after an epic battle with the undead. She could commit to sending *some* forces (maybe Jamie leads them and Euron finally gets his finger in bum moment!) but in a half arsed way and expect their forces to bear the brunt of it with Lannister forces in receiver. She could intend to commit all forces to the cause but with a condition that she's recognised as the Queen... bend the knee Danny! Or perhaps just lend them ships/supplies etc.. but expect the northerners to fight in the north. Plus you could have course end up with some Lords currently loyal to Cersei assisting Danny.

Part of me hopes that the night king is just a moody version of the now dead "mad" king.

That way I don't have to think about the Uber Bran theory

I thought the night king was just the original white walker person - the guy we saw tied to a tree in Bran's vision when the children of the forest created them.