The Deep Net

xldeane · 11 Oct 2017 at 06:49

I have a reference book or something that covers this, I think its fascinating.

Narj · 11 Oct 2017 at 07:21

Unless you're up to no good or in China then I don't see why you would want to use tor over a traditional VPN.

Actually if I wanted to use tor then I'd want to run that over a VPN as well and probably not on windows.

wedrum · 11 Oct 2017 at 07:23

So are you likely to attract a serial killer who will track you down if you visit his site

Diddums · 11 Oct 2017 at 07:36

The "dark web" or "darknet" or whatever it's called these days is 99% paranoid nerds thinking that "they're coming" and 1% illegal activities (99% of which are scams designed to pull gullible curious people in to handing cash / bitcoin over). People seem to think it's this mythical place where hitmen hide in corners waiting for hire and drugs line the streets, when in reality it's just a version of the internet stuck in the 90s.

You won't suddenly be on a list for using it, you won't suddenly grow a mullet and start dealing drugs and you won't suddenly have a hit on you so if you're curious, the download TOR, google "TOR links" and crack on.

wolfie138 · 11 Oct 2017 at 07:49

"you won't suddenly grow a mullet"
:-/
is there sites where that will happen? just wondering why you raised that as a point.

Narj · 11 Oct 2017 at 07:50

Sounds like diddums is still sore from losing bitcoin to a dodgy revenge porn site.

peterwalkley · 11 Oct 2017 at 07:57

xldeane said:
I read somewhere that it was a project set up by the US Navy ?? Any truth in this ?

I see what you did there.

xldeane · 11 Oct 2017 at 08:01

I already use a VPN server thats SOP, in fact there's a setting on it for Onion over VPN, always wondered what that was for..that i take it is a double encryption, I can D/L onion and no one knows that I have it....except of course everyone on this forum...

ssssshhhhhh

peterwalkley said:
I see what you did there.

What did I do there ????

glenimp617 · 11 Oct 2017 at 08:51

It's not just a case of using the TOR browser, or visiting the hidden wiki. You really need to know people already on there. Most sites are so well hidden you simply won't find them.
It's not a place anyone should visit, seriously.

Kiyoshi · 11 Oct 2017 at 09:07

If you're concerned about your PC and something malicious accessing it, look up Tails which is an OS you run from a USB drive and has the Tor Browser pre-installed.

peterwalkley · 11 Oct 2017 at 09:08

xldeane said:
What did I do there ????

Deep net ... Navy ...

Post smelt a bit fishy to me, or was it just a red herring ?

Django x2 · 11 Oct 2017 at 09:34

This interests me, but only because of the variation of what replies deem the deep/dark web to be. Whilst Rroff is close, he's actually also very very far away. The best obfuscation, which is something I consult on daily, is to hide in plain sight. You'll be amazed at how much more of the dark web is actually traversed across the normal net. That's where the real cool stuff is

Narj · 11 Oct 2017 at 09:42

TheOracle said:
It's not just a case of using the TOR browser, or visiting the hidden wiki. You really need to know people already on there. Most sites are so well hidden you simply won't find them.
It's not a place anyone should visit, seriously.

A guy I know quite openly boasts about getting all sorts of dodgy stuff in the post off the marketplaces. I'm waiting to hear that he's been raided as I doubt he's being that savvy about it.

Energize · 11 Oct 2017 at 10:02

Tor is legitimately useful for those trying to evade the UK police state and it's ceaseless campaign against civil liberties, porn, and drugs, but other than that it's really nothing more than a curiosity.

Narj · 11 Oct 2017 at 10:06

Re: privacy, I agree given the IPA and the government boner for mass-surveillance but don't see why you wouldn't just use a conventional VPN service instead, TOR will be horribly slow and bordering on unbearable for normal browsing.

Rroff · 11 Oct 2017 at 10:13

Django x2 said:
This interests me, but only because of the variation of what replies deem the deep/dark web to be. Whilst Rroff is close, he's actually also very very far away. The best obfuscation, which is something I consult on daily, is to hide in plain sight. You'll be amazed at how much more of the dark web is actually traversed across the normal net. That's where the real cool stuff is

Well point of my posts were that there isn't one specific "dark/deep net" that you can visit like an amusement park - like one of the examples I mentioned where open service were used to send data disguised amongst normal traffic.

Diddums · 11 Oct 2017 at 10:16

peterwalkley said:
Deep net ... Navy ...

Post smelt a bit fishy to me, or was it just a red herring ?

Hurrrrrrr

wolfie138 said:
"you won't suddenly grow a mullet"
:-/
is there sites where that will happen? just wondering why you raised that as a point.

Stereotyping.

ttaskmaster · 11 Oct 2017 at 11:16

FurryLemon said:
You have to know where to go.

How do you know where to go if you don't already know what's out there?
I also like the idea of having a look, but only because I assume it's hidden for a reason.

ianh · 11 Oct 2017 at 11:32

There's a few search engines but don't expect anything like "Google", they're still very limited on what they can do, plus any results can be skewed as sites can pop-up/down within a few days but it's definitely an odd/unique place to browse.

Nasher · 11 Oct 2017 at 11:42

The governments hate the dark web because they can't control it. Most of it isn't dodgy like you read in the press.

VPN use has spiked massively recently, for obvious reasons. Theres no reason not to use one if you value your privacy and security. Authorities keep peeling away layers of security to monitor/censor the internet, so we need to keep adding some ourselves.