Why is the government entitled to a slice of our wages?

[NooBish AbbZ]

As mentioned, police, NHS, etc etc. Plus, the(politicians) are all ******* and don't actually give a **** about the rest of the country as long as thy get a nauseating pay rise year on year. *****.

 

[Hades]

The thresholds for inheritance tax are quite generous. A married couple passing on their estate to their children/grandchildren, that's a limit of £850,000 without having to pay any tax at all.

I would not call any limit on inheritance tax as generous. It's triple tax. You get taxed on earnings, taxed to buy the house (stamp duty) and then taxed when you die and want to leave it to someone you love).

 

[antijoke]

The thresholds for inheritance tax are quite generous. A married couple passing on their estate to their children/grandchildren, that's a limit of £850,000 without having to pay any tax at all.

And with house prices as they are.....someone who is not really wealthy could fall into having to pay tax purely because of the value of their house.

 

[Bear]

It seems to me that normal people pay tax, while the rich can pay someone to help avoid being taxed.

The vast majority of the population doesn’t pay enough tax to cover the services that are available. The wealthy pay the majority of the tax so it’s only right the can avoid some of it (I’m not talking about the super rich who pay less tax than their cleaner)

All the while the so called "normal people” occasionally partake in illegal tax evasion like not paying taxes on their deliveries from overseas, or cash in hand work to keep it off the books, selling fags bought on the booze cruise in France but that’s ok. When it comes to getting a bit of free cash from inheritance then it’s full on bad and you shouldn’t have to pay tax on that money, because taxes for the services you demand in a civilised society should be paid by other people right?

 

[[TW]Fox]

So inspired by a post in the housing market thread, why are they are entitled to a slice of our wages (slice increases mores you earn)?

Where did it all start?

Is there a better way?

Should they be told get lost?

Who provides the environment and infrastructure your company operates in in order for you to be paid that wage?

 

[stopper]

Why are you entitled to government services?

The national government doesn't provide us any services, the local councils do, and we pay council tax for that.
Governments take a cut of our wages for wars, churches and their own power, fact. Always have, always will.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

You could always move somewhere that you don't need to pay TAX's!

I hear Sudan exempts certain expatriates from national TAX, might wanna invest in a bullet proof vest though

 

[Kenai]

The national government doesn't provide us any services, the local councils do, and we pay council tax for that.
Governments take a cut of our wages for wars, churches and their own power, fact. Always have, always will.

Your local council almost certainly receives funding from central government, I'd be surprised if they operate on council tax alone.

 

[Energize]

I'm still trying to work out how you get 50%. I work off nhs and paye being 30% (I know it's not but I can work out 30% easier than 28% come bonus time). Where's your other 20% or are you generalising with VAT? I personally don't agree with inheritance tax at all, why should the government get anything as the income will have been taxed when it was originally earnt. It seems to me that normal people pay tax, while the rich can pay someone to help avoid being taxed.

32% for basic rate income tax and NI, 20% VAT on most things you buy, tons of fuel duty on all the petrol you buy, and all the other additional things like sin taxes on alcohol, stamp duty etc.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Drug prices depend on patents.
I'd make the argument that the NHS shouldn't be buying patented drugs at all.
Wait for the patents to expire and buy cheap generic versions.

And what about in the meantime, while people suffer diseases for which treatments are available? How long are drug parents?

 

[Vonhelmet]

The national government doesn't provide us any services, the local councils do, and we pay council tax for that.
Governments take a cut of our wages for wars, churches and their own power, fact. Always have, always will.

Churches? Churches don't get government funding.

 

[Randomface74]

And what about in the meantime, while people suffer diseases for which treatments are available? How long are drug parents?

That's the price you pay. 20 years.

 

[antijoke]

Your local council almost certainly receives funding from central government, I'd be surprised if they operate on council tax alone.

Weren’t they cut off in the localistation thing? Hence why large cuts to budgets locally?

Who provides the environment and infrastructure your company operates in in order for you to be paid that wage?

Infrastructure? Do you mean the ability to collect taxes?

I work for a small (3 employees) company, I’m sure they could survive without Government interventions.

 

[Kenai]

Weren’t they cut off in the localistation thing? Hence why large cuts to budgets locally?.

I checked mine and they're still citing £30m or so from government amongst their income.

 

[Mr Joshua]

So inspired by a post in the housing market thread, why are they are entitled to a slice of our wages (slice increases mores you earn)?

Where did it all start?

Is there a better way?

Should they be told get lost?

It's the price of a civil society. I'd quite enjoy seeing the outcome if we became a nation filled with desperate people.

 

[Mekrel]

I think the question that should be asked is why are governments and local councils so wasteful? For example, my local council paid for majority of car parks to be ANPR operated, only to then revert them back to pay and display after the local rag discovered it was letting people off for not paying.

I'm not asking for smarter spending so I pay less into the pot (although that would be nice), but to at least get better or more services for that money.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

Well, guess what, if there's no benefit to being a doctor no one will do it. Why would they put themselves through that training and difficult work if there's nothing in it for them? For the good of society? Yeah, good luck with that...

I may have this totally wrong but isn't this how Communist Russia used to work?
A surgeon could be living next to a toilet cleaner in the same apartment block!
I probably dreamt it.

 

[Vonhelmet]

That's the price you pay. 20 years.

The price you pay is 20 years discomfort or possibly death? Say hello to private insurance and a black market on foreign drugs. Still, you'll be alright, Jack, paying as much tax as the median wage and bitching about it

 

[Vonhelmet]

Infrastructure? Do you mean the ability to collect taxes?

I work for a small (3 employees) company, I’m sure they could survive without Government interventions.

Without a road network? Power? Telephony? Educated staff? Yeah, good luck.

 

[Raymond Lin]

The more a developed country is, the more things we are paying for, it is why we are developed.

If people like to pay less taxes and willing to get less, it's like going backwards. Just take your own daily life, as you start to earn more, your standard of living rises and your expectations of what is basic also goes up. Now scale that up, and it all needs to be paid for.

I know that is very simplified but does that not make sense? How does one expect to get more by paying less or no taxes?