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The NVidia GV100 News Thread

Rroff said:
Anywhere from £2000 to £10,000 though that isn't the whole story of the costs involved dunno if they do it in this case but they might be using a mixture of techniques like putting different products on one wafer so that they will have some working stuff.
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It seems nvidia to me won't be making a whole load of profit from this. Do they not only make them on demand? So when some one asks for a V100 nvidia will go to produce it? It's not like other products which they have stocks of them? That to me indicates they don't make a whole load of profit from this. I doubt they put other stuff on there tbh because that reduces that chance of getting one working die. But i guess the all the dies that dont make it i would like to assume they use them for other stuff perhaps. I'm not sure what with it being quite big comparable to a apple watch in size apparently.
 
I'm kind of curious how they are producing them - do they run off a wafer that is just the big dies or do they do say 4 of the big dies and the rest of the space another product (or some other combination that makes optimal use of the area available).
 
Rroff said:
I'm kind of curious how they are producing them - do they run off a wafer that is just the big dies or do they do say 4 of the big dies and the rest of the space another product (or some other combination that makes optimal use of the area available).
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They can't because its such a massive die that if they only put 4 dies on one wafer then used the space for other stuff which isn't possible afaik, they could quite possibly end up with a wafer with zero dies that pass the mark. They make a wafer with x amount of dies, depends how big the die is to how many fits on the wafer and then try and produce as many working dies as possible by wafer. With them being so big it means less dies per wafer which means a lot less chance a die which will pass the mark. Like Jenson said the fact they have managed to cram as much as they have in is a feat its on the bounds of being impossible.

So if it costs anywhere upto $10,000 to produce a wafer and only 1 or 2 max make the mark it means their profits can't be all that great i would have assumed. They have other manufacturing costs involved too.
 
TSMC do shuttle services for people who can't afford the full costs of their own production runs of a product where different companies share wafers - AFAIK nVidia can run their own stuff off in a similar fashion.
 
r7slayer said:
It seems nvidia to me won't be making a whole load of profit from this. Do they not only make them on demand? So when some one asks for a V100 nvidia will go to produce it? It's not like other products which they have stocks of them? That to me indicates they don't make a whole load of profit from this. I doubt they put other stuff on there tbh because that reduces that chance of getting one working die. But i guess the all the dies that dont make it i would like to assume they use them for other stuff perhaps. I'm not sure what with it being quite big comparable to a apple watch in size apparently.
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You'll be able to buy them normally as you could buy P100. It will just take a few months more because the system builders/supercomputers get the first ones and they will earn tons of money with it. If you just take the 2 supercomputers and some cloud/datacenter they'll easily sell over 100k of GV100. Summit alone needs 28k.

And no, they won't just get 1 die per wafer. No one would produce it in this case. JHH said: "To make one chip work, per 12 inch wafer, I would characterised it as unlikely. And so the fact that this is manufacturable is great, is just an incredible feat."
No CEO would ever talk about actual yield, this is one of the great secrets of semiconductor companys. He just wanted to highlight what a accomplishment it was by nvidia to make this thing manufacturable. In a pretty unlikely case he might mean 1 die, but then it would be 1 full working die per wafer. But they are disabling parts with failures and you anyway have redundancy in such chips. You can see to some degree how chips are yielding by looking at the available cards. Nvidia wants a maximum number of working gpus per wafer, even if they disable more. With Fermi the yield was so bad that they launched a 50% cut down chip in a quadro. We will see what other gpus with GV100 we get, but if there won't be gpus with lower amounts of cores, then the yield has to be alright. GP100 was used with 256 Shader disabled. GV100 has the same 256 Shader disabled on a much bigger chip.
 
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https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/07/22/tesla-v100-cvpr-nvail/

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Wow these 15 lucky deep learning researchers received first Tesla V100 cards from Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang. It now almost exactly a year since Jensen gave first Pascal Titan X card to Baidu chief scientist Andrew Ng back in July 2016.

I would be surprise if Volta driver for Telsa V100 will have gaming mode.
 
No, I’m waiting for Volta. Sod a collectors edition Titan.

Few months to go probably, surprisingly quiet though.
 
They would not have released the 1070ti and this collectors edition Titan if Volta was coming 'soon'.

There is no pressure coming from AMD.

Look what happened to the CPU market when AMD got this stuff together. Simply not happening in the GPU space.
 
The real clue is this thread its self, there is just not much news or rumours on Volta doing the rounds.

I don't think we will see any gaming cards until well into next year.
 
I just figured they wouldn't want to impact their own Christmas sales. Think there will be some news and rumours floating about in the New Year but if it takes until the middle of next year, so be it.
 
Like many I am waiting on Volta. There seems to be zero chat about it, no rumours no talk no nothing.

Disappointing, but when the second best is a long way behind, why make yourself even further ahead when you can milk the current market.

Sad, but the 10 series doesn't warrant my cash yet, I'll just have to tame that upgrade itch.
 
FL630 said:
Like many I am waiting on Volta. There seems to be zero chat about it, no rumours no talk no nothing.

Disappointing, but when the second best is a long way behind, why make yourself even further ahead when you can milk the current market.

Sad, but the 10 series doesn't warrant my cash yet, I'll just have to tame that upgrade itch.
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Indeed, Nvidia are so far ahead of AMD that they dont need to bother with new products yet. This is sad for the consumers, as like you, I have the upgrade itch but the 10 series doesnt seem worth the upgrade for me considering the cost. So for now I'll stick with my 970GTX and 1080p screen, the suffice for now :)
 
Badfish said:
Indeed, Nvidia are so far ahead of AMD that they dont need to bother with new products yet. This is sad for the consumers, as like you, I have the upgrade itch but the 10 series doesnt seem worth the upgrade for me considering the cost. So for now I'll stick with my 970GTX and 1080p screen, the suffice for now :)
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Hahaha. The itch is so bad I’ve even contemplated an Xbox One X.

Bizarrely it would be a cheaper 4K prospect than a 1080Ti for Xbox/Windows games.

Think I’ve put the itch to bed for now but whether I’ll last until June, who knows.
 
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