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OcUK Ryzen APU review thread

sidthesexist said:
Have Gamers Nexus fallen out with AMD? in the vid they just released Steve stated they had just bought these new APU's? where as other reviewers received them from AMD didn't they?
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If you want early access there are strings attached.

Not in the sense of "don't say bad stuff" but if you recall the Ryzen and Vega releases there were specific dates on which certain things were allowed to be done.

So you could say to your audience you had the loot on day X, maybe show the box.

Then on day X+7 you could open the box and show off the loot.

Then on day X+10 you could show how to install the new CPU into the motherboard for example....

Then on day X+14 you could actually show your review.

Obviously this is an agreement that has reviewers hype training a product whether they want to or not because it exploits the fact that reviewers mostly put on a exaggerated performance for trivial things. So you tell them that they and 250 other people will be allowed to do a box opening review you end up with desperately hyped box opening videos as they fish for the audience.

However if you don't want to dance like a monkey in exchange for the early access to hardware then you can go spend your own money, buy the product and be later on your review.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
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Not sure I'd fancy delidding a PGA chip! Seems about 10-15 degrees cooler after delid but difficult to compare with Intel unless you have a similar test with their chips (e.g. same CPU cooler). The chips being clock limited rather than temperature limited makes delidding less appealing IMO.
 
Yeah, seems like unless you've got really poop cooling and no other way of improving it I don't see any advantage to delidding.

Edit- though thinking about it, he didn't really look at GPU overclocking, and that might be more temp limited than the CPU side, so might be able to squeeze extra graphical performance out of a delidded chip
 
DragonQ said:
I don't see how, one CCX is dedicated to graphics and the other is for CPU cores. On a single CCX, 4c/8t is as high as they can go until 7 nm rolls around.
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I disagree buddy. I think that AMD plan to have X chips as the premier top end chips that gamers will be buying to pair with a discrete graphics card and all the non X chips will be APUs.

Perhaps there won't be an R7 APU but not due to it being impossible but perhaps because it may not be financially viable.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
I disagree buddy. I think that AMD plan to have X chips as the premier top end chips that gamers will be buying to pair with a discrete graphics card and all the non X chips will be APUs.

Perhaps there won't be an R7 APU but not due to it being impossible but perhaps because it may not be financially viable.
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Depends how much they think people (who are obviously not focused on games) want a strong cpu with a decent gpu attached.
 
I got one of these 2400G's, is powering 2 x 1080P screens, uses hardly any power and copes well with low demanding games. Shows strength in multitasking, streaming movies, music while doing whatever else. The CPU part is really strong. Can always throw in a DGPU later on for demanding games.

Most interesting PC part recently for me, as pricing and stagnation on the high end is making PC space a bit dull atm.

Honestly for the money these are an absolute steal.
 
Hotwired said:
Depends how much they think people (who are obviously not focused on games) want a strong cpu with a decent gpu attached.
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Yea that's what I was trying, and not doing a good job of, to say. It depends what the market wants. Perhaps it will take a die shrink to become more feasible but if nobody really wants one then it probably won't come to pass.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
I disagree buddy. I think that AMD plan to have X chips as the premier top end chips that gamers will be buying to pair with a discrete graphics card and all the non X chips will be APUs.
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Why?

TallPaul1878 said:
Perhaps there won't be an R7 APU but not due to it being impossible but perhaps because it may not be financially viable.
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I didn't say it was impossible, I said I don't see how that'd fit with their current plan. The whole reason Ryzen is competitive is because of their interchangeable CCX modules producing high yields. I don't see why they'd abandon that any time soon. I'm sure they'd love to release a 6 core APU but spending a lot of cash figuring out how to do that before Zen 2, which would naturally allow them to do this anyway, seems silly.

jigger said:
A TR die and GPU in an AM4 package?
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I have no idea if that's even possible. Theadripper dies are larger, surely?
 
DragonQ said:
I have no idea if that's even possible. Theadripper dies are larger, surely?
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I'm not sure either, but it would be one way to to use a pair of clusters with the CPU scaling past 4 cores. I think the two main problems would be the size of the GPU and at what point would system memory become the constraint.
 
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