Nvidia Ampere might launch as GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 on April 12th

[Kaapstad]

Then nothings ever a flagship GPU and wise.. as there is always something at least faster to come?

Bigger not equating to better when it comes to computer components with the reverse often being true!

Flagship as the fastest most powerful card in a given architecture, it is not that hard to define.

A poll that can only be had in retrospect after both cards have been released one rather after the other? What's your point?

Actually NVidia tend to release the professional cards first, these have the chips that the later Titan cards use so we all know what the gaming flagship will use long before the mid range XX80 cards turn up.

 

[crinkleshoes]

Then nothings ever a flagship GPU and wise.. as there is always something at least faster to come?

Bigger not equating to better when it comes to computer components with the reverse often being true!

Just because the flagship is still in the dockyard waiting for the queen to come and launch it into the water... doesn't mean it's smaller brother that launched a few months earlier was the temporary flagship...

Look... this ship has three flags on it... does that make it a tripleflagship?

 

[Caracus2k]

Just because the flagship is still in the dockyard waiting for the queen to come and launch it into the water... doesn't mean it's smaller brother that launched a few months earlier was the temporary flagship...

Look... this ship has three flags on it... does that make it a tripleflagship?

If the new boat isn't even in the dock and only exists as speculation....?

There's always something 'better' on the theoretical horizom

'flagship' is a common saying based originallu on ships but having nothing to do with flags in its common contemporary usage.

 

[crinkleshoes]

If the new boat isn't even in the dock and only exists as speculation....?

There's always something 'better' on the theoretical horizom

'flagship' is a common saying based originallu on ships but having nothing to do with flags in its common contemporary usage.

Speculation? wtf... we weren't comparing the 3080ti/titan to the 2080.

OK... so finally figured out you're trolling... well done... you had me going for a while.

No more loops...

 

[Caracus2k]

Flagship as the fastest most powerful card in a given architecture, it is not that hard to define.
Actually NVidia tend to release the professional cards first, these have the chips that the later Titan cards use so we all know what the gaming flagship will use long before the mid range XX80 cards turn up.

1) if you want to use the qualifier in retrospect 'given architecture' that's fine otherwise its rather arbitrary however. .. people aren't generally concerned with what architecture the next gpu will be only what the performance and price would be like. Most thought pascal was done with the Titan x (pascal) and 1080ti before nvidia release the (perhaps in retrospect not that surprising) titan xp.

If you get hung up on having the best card in a architecture then this in of itself doesn't make much sense as a new card from a new architercture will follow with similar or better performance

 

[Caracus2k]

Speculation? wtf... we weren't comparing the 3080ti/titan to the 2080.

OK... so finally figured out you're trolling... well done... you had me going for a while.

No more loops...

Reviewers agree with me that cards like the 1080 are high end flagships, as does nvidia as per my previous links. But a few, die/memory bus sized obsessed, people on a forum are right and everyone else and the dictionary are wrong?

And I'm the troll?

 

[crinkleshoes]

Reviewers agree with me that cards like the 1080 are high end flagships, as does nvidia as per my previous links. But a few, die/memory bus sized obsessed, people on a forum are right and everyone else and the dictionary are wrong?

And I'm the troll?

Huh? No they don't:

Like the GTX 980 Ti and GTX 780 Ti before it, that means taking advantage of improved manufacturing yields and reduced costs to push out a bigger, more powerful GPU to drive this year’s flagship video card

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review

Compared to the card it’s theoretically replacing, the GTX 980, the GTX 1080 has a bit more of everything. It has 25 percent more CUDA cores, double the memory from 4GB to 8GB (the memory is faster as well), and two billion more transistors. Ironically the GTX 980 Ti, which was more CUDA cores, texture units, and ROPS should also be significantly less powerful than the 1080; a perfect demonstration of the efficiency of Nvidia’s new Pascal architecture.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/12/15/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-founderas-edition-review

Just over a month ago, we had already seen a new massive scale and scalar GPU from Nvidia, Big Pascal is actually already used in the Tesla P100 computing unit, and we have learned much from that release last month. Though not related to today's release; that GPU has 3,840 shader processors, again 3,840 shader cores with 240 texture units. That one GPU can boast roughly 11 TFLOPS of single precision performance, which is massive by any standard. Next to that "Big Pascal" is a HBM2 based product. Now, as you can understand "Big Pascal" is not ready for mass production on the consumer market, but Nvidia has the next best thing ready and lined up for you which will be available in high volume, and likely will be in high demand. For weeks now we’ve been seeing the rumors, would Nvidia name the Pascal based GeForce GTX series the GeForce GTX 1070/1080 and will there be a 1080 Ti model? The GPU naming surfaced as well. Logic, however, would assume a Ti release later in the year opposed to everything being released at once in the summer. Here's what is you'll see in the stores soon:

• GeForce GTX 1080 (8 GB GDDR5X) - the successor to the GTX 980, uses a GP104 GPU
• GeForce GTX 1070 (8 GB GDDR5) - the successor to the GTX 970, uses a GP104 GPU

As you can see, that still leaves open GP100 (Big Pascal) for later in the year for a product with likely Ti or Titan based naming. Today is all about the GP104-A1 GPU for Nvidia's high-end products, a GPU that measures roughly 290 - 300 mm² in size, is based on the all new Pascal architecture and is fabbed at 16 nm while the transistors have fins (FinFET).

With all that said we can today announce two new cards, the GeForce GTX 1070 and the GTX 1080. In this first review we look at the 1080 as the 1070 specs to date have not been released. So today is all about that Pascal GP104 based GeForce GTX 1080. A product that is to replace the GeForce GTX 980. This is the Founders Edition, the new naming for the reference model. A product that will sell for 699 USD in this Founders Edition guise, board partner designs however will start at 599 USD.

Combined with the new color compression technologies they can effectively achieve 43% more bandwidth compared to the GeForce GTX 980. And I do bring up the GeForce GTX 980 with good reason, the GTX 1080 is to replace that product.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review.html

I'm sure I could find more, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it.

They clearly and often compared the ti SKUs to ti SKUs and call them the flagship.

They clearly and often compare the xx70 and xx80 to xx70 and xx80 as the direct replacement and not successor to the previous flagship...

 

[chroniclard]

At any one time there is a flagship card, doesnt matter if another card is out later.

 

[nomadd]

..cards like the 1080 are high end flagships

Tbh, with today's prices, even the 1060 is "high end" !!!!

 

[Kaapstad]

1) if you want to use the qualifier in retrospect 'given architecture' that's fine otherwise its rather arbitrary however. .. people aren't generally concerned with what architecture the next gpu will be only what the performance and price would be like. Most thought pascal was done with the Titan x (pascal) and 1080ti before nvidia release the (perhaps in retrospect not that surprising) titan xp.

If you get hung up on having the best card in a architecture then this in of itself doesn't make much sense as a new card from a new architercture will follow with similar or better performance

As I said before we did know what was going to end up in the Titan Xp, all it took was a look at the professional cards.

NVidia have not failed to release a fully enabled Titan since Kepler

Kepler - Titan Black
Maxwell - Titan
Pascal - Titan Xp
Volta - Titan V

All these cards have all their cores fully enabled.

 

[FoxEye]

Unethical? After several generation of this if a consumer is silly enoug(for lack of a better word) to believe that the xx70/80/whatever is the high/top end is more down to them than to NVIDIA, this “merry dance” has been done long enough that the consumer SHOULD be wise enough by now.

But that doesn't change the fact that nV charge high-end prices for the xx70/xx80. And that the price increase has rippled down the range to all lower cards. You have a choice of buying or not buying - you can't pay less than nVidia demands you pay

It won't be the flagship as we all know NVidia will have bigger faster cards to come, not to mention the Titan V which is already available.

Not only do we know that the Titan/Ti will be only a few months later, we also know that there will be about 18 - 24 months between the Ti and the next generation. Longer this time. Whereas there is normally only ~6-8 months between the xx80 and the Ti. In fact between the 1080 Ti and the 11 series, it could be as long as 30 months this time

Well all know that when the Titan and then the Ti are released, that range/architecture has its true high-end cards. The xx80 is at best a pretender to the throne for a few months. That's all it ever is.

A poll that can only be had in retrospect after both cards have been released one rather after the other? What's your point?

If the 1170 comes out a month before the 1180 - and with the 1180 not yet announced - will that make the 1170 the flagship?

You can't surely answer "yes".

 

[fowler002]

Well I’ve given in and gone for a 1080ti(evga ftw3 for £780), now hopefully NVIDIA doesn’t release a 1080ti equivalent or higher performance card in the £600 bracket

 

[crinkleshoes]

Well I’ve given in and gone for a 1080ti(evga ftw3 for £780), now hopefully NVIDIA doesn’t release a 1080ti equivalent or higher performance card in the £600 bracket

You've probably got 2-4 months...

 

[FoxEye]

Well I’ve given in and gone for a 1080ti(evga ftw3 for £780), now hopefully NVIDIA doesn’t release a 1080ti equivalent or higher performance card in the £600 bracket

Well the 1180 is likely to be ~1080Ti perf at least, but the price won't be less than £600, you can bet your house on it.

 

[crinkleshoes]

Well the 1180 is likely to be ~1080Ti perf at least, but the price won't be less than £600, you can bet your house on it.

Yeah... I'm guessing they'll push their luck again... entry price of £650-700. Only dropping a bit when the 2080Ti comes out at £800-900.

It's sad... but they're going to keep pushing until they see resistance in the market and are unable to shift stock... only then will the prices come down again... or if AMD finally bring something worthwhile to the fight... but I think Nvidia are going to hit the peak of demand before that happens.

 

[FoxEye]

I wouldn't even be surprised to see the 1180 with an RRP of £800. Posters here have even said they'll pay up to £1000 for a non-Ti.

 

[Caracus2k]

Huh? No they don't:

Perhaps you should read the links you post to save yourself looking foolish.....

Not even moving past your first link.....

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review

When NVIDIA launched the GeForce GTX 1080 back in May they set a new high bar for GPU performance, and they never once had to look back. Consequently the last 10 months have been witness to the NVIDIA’s greatest flagship-level performance lead in at least a decade

So a review of the 1080ti, released 10 months after the gtx 1080, where the article you linked acknowledges that the flagship for the past ten months has been the GTX1080! (or the perhaps the Titan x [1st release pascal] which came out 3 months after after the 1080 but before the 1080ti...but the 1080 was the flagship in the authors view from release at least up until the Titan x was released!)

The quote you posted....

Like the GTX 980 Ti and GTX 780 Ti before it, that means taking advantage of improved manufacturing yields and reduced costs to push out a bigger, more powerful GPU to drive this year’s flagship video card

Is a clear allusion to the fact that the 1080ti was released the subsequent year to the 1080 hence it was that years (2017) flagship card at the time much like the 1080 was a flagship card for the previous year (2016)!

Your link also confirms the point about it being good business sense to not release a big die mainstream, consumer gpu first due to yield issues and the reduced costs of releasing a bigger die product after the release of a smaller die product to refine the process.

Thanks for making my points for me!

 

[andybird123]

flagship card just means the fastest they have out at the time, so yeah the xx80 is considered the flagship when it is released, for a couple of months till the titan comes out, which that anand article seems to conveniently ignore

if that article proves anything then it is that "flagship" is a point of view then, not an absolute, or if its the fastest card then it was 1080 for 3 months, then titan and the article is wrong, either way it doesn't really prove anything

 

[Caracus2k]

If the 1170 comes out a month before the 1180 - and with the 1180 not yet announced - will that make the 1170 the flagship?

You can't surely answer "yes".

If the 1170 has the best performance absolutely yes.

It would just (in retrospect) be termed a short lived flagship!

Its really not a hard concept to grasp..

 

[Dicehunter]

I wouldn't even be surprised to see the 1180 with an RRP of £800. Posters here have even said they'll pay up to £1000 for a non-Ti.

If the 1180 or whatever it's called is more expensive than the 1080 was when it came out it's a no go for me and it should also be a no go for other people.