GPU prices go boom

hominid · 20 Mar 2018 at 13:53

FloatingPoint said:
All talk about the effect of mining on GPU prices but nothing is ever mentioned about driverless car development on the demand for GPU’s, surely this is also having an effect on demand supply and pricing?

Those GPU's, if you can call them GPU's, would have never entered the GPU marketplace anyway so you can ignore them as such... What they would do however is use memory, mainly, that could be used for GPU manufacture when there is a shortage of memory at the moment - which in itself increases costs. Those also would have long term supply contracts and would have been fabricated in addition to the normal projected demand for ordinary GPU's.

The main reason there is price increases, and price gouging, is, mainly, an unforeseen increase in demand for them. That coupled with memory being artificially limited by a cartel to ramp up prices and an unwillingness for manufacturers to risk producing more than forecast, especially this close to end-of-life, goes someway to explain currant prices.

mattyg · 20 Mar 2018 at 13:53

I'm confused on why people think mined on GPU's are knackered.. We under volt and under clock. My cards barely hit 55Deg...Someone enlighten me on what I'm doing to knacker my cards...

RSR · 20 Mar 2018 at 13:59

WantoN said:
It’s a common trend I think. Demonstrative that there’s some bias against it, I know it’s fickle but i wouldn’t mind seeing the rules require mining be explicitly mentioned.

What about if the card has been used in a rending farm, do you still apply the same logic there?

Concrete · 20 Mar 2018 at 15:03

mattyg said:
I'm confused on why people think mined on GPU's are knackered.. We under volt and under clock. My cards barely hit 55Deg...Someone enlighten me on what I'm doing to knacker my cards...

Running them 24/7? They aren't knackered, but statistically they will have taken more wear and thus be more likely to fail in the near future.

I'd be quite happy to buy a mining card, but the price would have to be right. When 1070s get down to 200 quid in a couple of months I will pick one up.

mattyg · 20 Mar 2018 at 15:43

Is running them 24/7 worse than putting 75Deg heat cycles through them..Bearing in mind all my PC's have always been on 24/7.

I don't remember seeing this kind of negativity towards cards that were used for folding etc

ci_newman · 20 Mar 2018 at 15:47

I'd say so, yes.

24x7 @ 100% load versus (in my case) 1-2 hours per day at 60-50% load for typical gaming.

If the PC is at idle, it will be automatically underclocking / downclocking the GPU when you aren't using it.

RSR · 20 Mar 2018 at 16:14

Do you noticed difference in fps on a mined card rather than one which has come from a "true" gamer in games?

x-st · 20 Mar 2018 at 16:24

mattyg said:
I'm confused on why people think mined on GPU's are knackered.. We under volt and under clock. My cards barely hit 55Deg...Someone enlighten me on what I'm doing to knacker my cards...

I'd always been lead to believe that it's the fans that get hardest hit on mining cards and that they inevitably fail much faster due to wear and tear, rather than the direct effect of temperatures.

WantoN · 20 Mar 2018 at 16:32

Everything has a mean time to failure, everything.

Heat cool cycles effect it, prolonged use effects it, cleanliness, power supply ad Infinitum.

Just because you undervolt and cool well does mean everyone does.

A well maintained car that’s done many more miles is sometimes in better condition that a granny cart that does stop start 5 mile journeys, but one is worth more than the other due to wear (perceived or real).

There’s not enough evidence to convince me mining cards are in better or worse nick, so I can only go on gut feel. Gut feel tells me I don’t want a mining card.

RSR · 20 Mar 2018 at 16:34

WantoN said:
There’s not enough evidence to convince me mining cards are in better or worse nick, so I can only go on gut feel. Gut feel tells me I don’t want a mining card.

That's easy then, buy a new card otherwise its a lucky dip.

melmac · 20 Mar 2018 at 16:55

WantoN said:
There’s not enough evidence to convince me mining cards are in better or worse nick, so I can only go on gut feel. Gut feel tells me I don’t want a mining card.

I wouldn't buy a second hand card unless I was sure of it's owner and had a warranty. If you are buying a second hand card without a warranty then I don't really believe it matters if you buy a card that was used for mining or gaming. There are just too many unknowns in both situations.

azazl187 · 20 Mar 2018 at 16:59

When it comes to selling my STRIX 1080TI i will simply make it very clear that i havent used it for Mining.

LoadsaMoney · 20 Mar 2018 at 17:01

https://wccftech.com/power-outage-a...d-flash-output-in-march-wont-help-gpu-prices/

WantoN · 20 Mar 2018 at 17:16

RSR said:
That's easy then, buy a new card otherwise its a lucky dip.

Sorry fella, whats easy? I'd rather buy from the MM, a card that's bought from OCUK with remaining warranty, not used for gaming.

melmac said:
If you are buying a second hand card without a warranty then I don't really believe it matters if you buy a card that was used for mining or gaming. There are just too many unknowns in both situations.

Indeed. Like I said, my choice against mining cards is purely bias.

mattyg · 20 Mar 2018 at 17:38

WantoN said:
Sorry fella, whats easy? I'd rather buy from the MM, a card that's bought from OCUK with remaining warranty, not used for gaming.

Indeed. Like I said, my choice against mining cards is purely bias.

Good luck with that. They're a funny bunch those Gamers.. I wouldn't put it past them to cry "Racialismememem" If you wont deal with a Gamer that's prejudice.

RSR · 20 Mar 2018 at 18:06

WantoN said:
Sorry fella, whats easy? I'd rather buy from the MM, a card that's bought from OCUK with remaining warranty, not used for gaming.

I was under the impressed that most warranties aren't transferable, otherwise it means dealing with a original purchaser should you need to to RMA the card which means that seller would always need to be contactable if you have a problem.

Also with the best will in the world, how can you confirm a 100% that you are buying a card that has never been mined on or had a level of extensive level of use.

I'd personally never buy second hand hardware, as I would always want piece of mind with a warranty.

WantoN · 20 Mar 2018 at 20:37

RSR said:
I was under the impressed that most warranties aren't transferable, otherwise it means dealing with a original purchaser should you need to to RMA the card which means that seller would always need to be contactable if you have a problem.

Also with the best will in the world, how can you confirm a 100% that you are buying a card that has never been mined on or had a level of extensive level of use.

I'd personally never buy second hand hardware, as I would always want piece of mind with a warranty.

You can’t guarantee it at all mate, it’s always a risk with second hand gear. For me it’s about minimising that risk. To me, rightly or wrongly, a seller who hasn’t extensively mined and has offered to assist with warranty presents lower risk,especially from the MM and from OCUK.

That’s not to say I don’t buy new, I often do. My usually trend is to get a new card near release, and buy a second hand down the line for SLI.

WantoN · 20 Mar 2018 at 20:39

i realise I said gaming, I meant mining, my bad

WantoN · 20 Mar 2018 at 20:40

azazl187 said:
When it comes to selling my STRIX 1080TI i will simply make it very clear that i havent used it for Mining.

And I may well try to buy it off you

chroniclard · 20 Mar 2018 at 20:46

17 x 1070Ti's for sale, never used for mining. £500 each.