Sick of waiting for NVidia refresh...

[Mark1989]

Bought an xbox to play same games on that you can on PC.. Don't get the logic, xbox gaming is pointless if pc owner. Least Sony have exclusives new ips same with switch

 

[aoaaron]

Agree with this, I spent years being the sucker chasing ultra settings and what not but I'd find myself not being that invested in games with superb graphics, I'd take a few screenshots and be in awe at a few scenes and then be let down by repetitive or poor gameplay. You look at a lot of the popular PC titles and many of them don't require a top end PC, are poorly optimised or many people, if it's a competitive game, will turn most of the settings off/low to benefit them.

Having recently purchased a switch I've realised there's so much more to gaming, and I've owned Titans, 1080ti's, gsync displays and whatever else was the must have at the time.

I still have my PC with a 4.6ghz 5820k and a 1060 6GB and it does just fine for my needs at the moment.

Sooooo true! The Switch (BOTW/Odyssey/XC2) specifically opened my eyes to how important GAMING is over graphical fidelity.

 

[JediFragger]

Yup, gameplay is everything.

 

[VincentHanna]

May laptop is more powerful than a Xbox One X and I can carry it around and do other things with it other than play games

Was it less than £450 and does it play 4K Blu-rays?

 

[JediFragger]

Was it less than £450 and does it play 4K Blu-rays?

Does the Xbox come with a screen/4k TV?

 

[VincentHanna]

I have the following PC:

Intel i7 5930k
16GB Ram
Maxwell Titan X (SLI)
Acer Predator X34a 100hz Ultra Wide monitor.

Yet I bought an Xbox One X and I honestly haven't even played a PC game for 4 months...

Far Cry 4 is native 4k with HDR. Looks brilliant on my 65" OLED. Does it matter it's locked at 30fps? Not really.

And I agree with @Ayahuasca / @aoaaron

Switch provided my best gaming moments of 2017, and that is 900p (Zelda and Mario Odyssey)

Edit - I can also play Player Unknowns Battlegrounds without cheaters

 

[willhub]

Was it less than £450 and does it play 4K Blu-rays?

Does the x box come with a display and an operating system usable for more than games and the odd app? Didn't think so! And no it doesn't have a disc drive at all, that's old stuff now

 

[bigmike20vt]

the cheating thing is massive imo and is often unfairly downplayed. Consoles biggest downside is also their best strength.... being unable to run unsigned code.

I am sick of cheating scum on pc games and it actually puts me off bothering playing with random people. it is far better on console and is one thing i miss about xbox360 gaming.

I really like my ps4 pro (for the exclusives). I wish Sony had not cheaped out on it however.... given MS managed to but a 4K BR player in their base console the least sony could have done is put one in their flagship machine..

 

[Darujhistan]

Gaming with a PC has become a mugs game.

It certainly has, it's a complete ripoff now.

 

[jigger]

Does the x box come with a display and an operating system usable for more than games and the odd app? Didn't think so! And no it doesn't have a disc drive at all, that's old stuff now

Yes, and yes. Unless you don't have a TV. That's the beauty of console.

 

[DELETED_195422]

play Elite Dangerous VR on the oculus rift / HTC vive and then compare it to the xbox 1 or ps4, or pCARS2 then come back and say that......... I hate the PC master race BS as well.... but there ARE parts of PC gaming which are pushing the envelope.

I totally agree its all about the games however and totally get that consoles have a place too......

I feel VR is the next aspect of PC Gaming which really excites me. The non-VR AAA market is very uninspired with it's cookie cutter type of games. I barely play those games now.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I feel VR is the next aspect of PC Gaming which really excites me. The non-VR AAA market is very uninspired with it's cookie cutter type of games. I barely play those games now.

indeed. it is also largely the indie devs who have really embraced VR.... sure, some of the AAA guys are getting on board now (which i "guess" is a good thing for mass market but i hope it does not swamp the smaller lower budget titles)

but some of the indie vr stuff is superb, stuff like lunar flight, legend of dungeon and techno lust

 

[ubersonic]

I do wonder what people think they are going to achieve coming on to a PC enthusiasts forum to talk about how great consiles are and how all PC games are just console ports anyway.

Well in fairness they're not wrong are they.

Personally it's not the buggy unoptimized console ports that annoy me, it's not even the way PC game development has been held back for years by the desire to make it run on consoles too instead of just porting it to them, what annoys me is that the way DLC has become so rife in the PC industry, the way ever PC game is made using the console mentality even if it's not coming out on a console.

Back in the day you acquired/downloaded the shareware episode or demo for free which was like 25-30% of the game and if it was awesome you bought the full version. If you wanted to play as additional characters or skins or units you downloaded them for free off the internet, same goes for additional multiplayer maps and entire single player campaigns.

Today you pay £30-50 for a game that's only 25-30% finished, then buy the DLC packs to finish it, then buy characters and/or skins (or buy the loot boxes to gamble them).

People moan so much about the top of the line Geforce/Radeon cards costing what a top of the line Voodoo did 18 years ago, nobody seems to care that games cost so much more for so much less, it's no wonder the PC gaming scene is dying when there are hardly any PC games left and we just get given endless console games with KB+mouse...

 

[BubbySoup]

1440p, meh. I have been gaming at 4K since 2014

Even with no AA, lowered settings to achieve similar fps, 4K looks better in most games I found.

But it's so square. 4k has its uses, but personally for gaming I'd take ultrawide over it.

 

[andybird123]

Well in fairness they're not wrong are they.

If you only play games available on console maybe, but most or basically all the games i play are not on console, so no they are wrong.

I definitely dont play anything that requires loot boxes. I dont think i have any DLC either, not anything that wasnt free anyway (or the base game was free so i might have paid for one DLC to get the full game type of thing)

Most of my games again, i think I paid about £10-15 for. I tend to get quite "in to" one particular thing, so by the time i get bored the next game I wanted is on sale anyway.

 

[nashathedog]

My biggest concern with console gaming is game compatibility,

Will my PS4 pro games work with the PS5? or will I have to keep the PS4 as well as get a PS5 if I want to play my older games?

With PC it doesn't matter how many times I upgrade or replace my PC, The games will always work with whatever hardware I have.

 

[TNA]

But it's so square. 4k has its uses, but personally for gaming I'd take ultrawide over it.

That is a personally preference. Nothing square about 16:9 imo, far from it. I even recall many moaning when 16:10 was being phased out which was even more "square".

 

[VincentHanna]

But it's so square. 4k has its uses, but personally for gaming I'd take ultrawide over it.

It's clearly a rectangle...4:3 is square.

My biggest concern with console gaming is game compatibility,

Will my PS4 pro games work with the PS5? or will I have to keep the PS4 as well as get a PS5 if I want to play my older games?

With PC it doesn't matter how many times I upgrade or replace my PC, The games will always work with whatever hardware I have.

Unknown, but if they follow Microsofts lead then they should do.

Microsoft have been working very hard on making a huge amount of Xbox 360 games not only backwards compatible, but has got them running at native 4k:

Forza Horizon

Microsoft's 'Heutchy Method' - named after the engineer that devised it - increases resolution by a factor of three on both axes, meaning that the original native 720p game renders at the top-end 3840x2160 on Xbox One X. As usual, the emulator employs negative LOD bias to ensure that the highest quality mip-maps are deployed for additional detail, but Playground's original dedication to image quality pays off massively here. The Xbox 360 game uses 4x multi-sampling anti-aliasing (MSAA) in combination with post-process FXAA when GPU resources allow. The end result when blown up to 4K is simply a marvel.

It would be an exaggeration to say that the game holds up compared to its native Xbox One successors, but certain aspects of the presentation still look absolutely pristine. Even at 4K, sub-pixel detail on environmental objects - foliage, specifically - can break up and shimmer in motion. However, with its extreme approach to anti-aliasing, Horizon looks virtually flawless. And if you're running your X console on a 1080p screen, the image quality benefits still further from super-sampling, making for what must surely be one of the most ridiculously comprehensive combinations of anti-aliasing techniques we've seen in a console game. In motion, and paired with the level of detail and wonderful lighting, Forza Horizon on Xbox One X really is something quite special, regardless of the screen you use.

Crackdown

I returned to Crackdown with some degree of concern - principally because I loved the original Xbox 360 game but did worry that it had aged badly, that the open world action would fall flat nine years on and that the visuals wouldn't suit a 4K screen. On the latter count, I needn't have worried - the original game always had a distinct style, and the bump from native 720p to full 4K complements the art beautifully. The X-enhanced technique of forcing the highest quality mip maps reveals that the original textures were relatively simple in keeping with the cel-shaded style of the game, but detailed enough to the point where they don't look bad on a 4K screen.

Deficiencies in the original presentation are helpfully addressed too: 16x anisotropic filtering helps resolve soupy ground textures in particular, while the low resolution alpha transparency effects that dominated Crackdown's explosive effects are also significantly improved. They run at 40 per cent of full res, giving us a 1536x846 pixel count vs the 3840x2160 overall resolution. In the heat of the action, the jumbo-sized pixels we saw on Xbox 360 whenever an explosion intersects with geometry aren't much on an issue on the X enhanced version. The game is crisp and clean, with little in the way of obvious blemishes when rendered with a framebuffer utilising over eight million pixels.

 

[ubersonic]

If you only play games available on console maybe, but most or basically all the games i play are not on console, so no they are wrong.

I don't mean to be rude here (it's going to sound rude as there's no other way to phrase it, but I honestly don't intend to cause offence) you should read the whole post before replying to a tiny part of it out of context.

I didn't say that most PC games are console ports these days, I said almost all are designed with the console mentality, including ones that don't even come out on consoles.

 

[bru]

once in a while, maybe yes, but not to the exclusion of all other discussion, which is what a couple of members seem to want



yes, there are lots of things that are cheaper than a PC that you can play games on, vtech sell some "gaming" items for £20, obviously anyone who buys a console for over 10 times that amount is a complete idiot, how dare Sony, microsoft and Nintendo have the gall to charge hundreds of pounds for a kids toy made for playing games!



I think its you that is missing the point. This is a PC forum. This is the GPU section of a PC forum. If you want to compare the performance of a console to an APU please go and do it in the CPU/APU section (where I'm sure you'll be greeted warmly [sic]). The whole point of PC gaming is that its customisable to an extent that is not possible with a console. You COULD build a PC for gaming that is cheaper than a console, yes it would not be as good as a console but you can build a PC for less than a console, play games on it, and pay nothing at all for a whole host of free to play games. OR IF YOU CHOOSE TO you can build a top spec gaming PC and play games not available on console. If you choose to. If you don't choose to, that is fine, however I fail to see how choosing not to grants that person the right to bang on and on and on and on and on about it for thread after thread and page after page, this shouldn't be the forum that makes that acceptable behaviour, any more than a Ferrari forum would put up with people banging on about what great value a fiesta is, or a yacht forum would people talking about dingys, or an SLR forum would about how a £100 phone can also take pictures.

Your comparisons are completely ridiculous to those of us that are PC gamers because a console can't do what my PC can do, so it simply doesn't interest me. You like to play console games and that is great for you, I'm really happy that you've decided you don't want to own a gaming PC because a console does what you want it to at a price you are happy to pay. I'm not really impressed by the strutting about like its the only possible option for everyone, when sales figures completely destroy that as a concept. I'd much rather, on the PC GPU section of a PC forum, discuss new technology and new products with people of a similar interest.

I would much prefer it if GPU's were cheaper. The only thing I can recommend if the current prices are too high is to jump in on release day when prices were actually cheaper, which is what I did. But then based on your "Consoles are £350" rhetoric, you were never going to buy a £600+ GPU anyway, so you'd really rather no one had the option either. Its bizarre. All the data points in the opposite direction to your personal opinion.

If you went in to the OCUK shop and stood behind every customer that came in to ask about a GPU and shouted "consoles are cheaper and do the same thing" they'd chuck you out.

+10 best post of the thread.