Sick of waiting for NVidia refresh...

[z10m]

I will be very interested in the Xbox 1 X if this mouse and keyboard support works well. Hopefully bring cross platform gaming into play

Imagine players of Xbox and PC (maybe PS4/5 soon too) playing on the same teams online in RTS and FPS. Can't wait to see console gamers cry when they are terrible in games such as Starcraft and proper FPS online games like Arma and Squad

Do you guys realise how bad mouse gaming at 30fps and vsync is..? Not to mention rather high input lag on most TVs.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I think there is a fundamental difference in the mindset of some gamers from others.

it is like KB/M being assumed to be the "best" control method for almost all games.....
I fully accept it is the most effective, but to me most effective != best. Best for me is most immersive / most enjoyable / most convenient. Most effective comes a very distant 4th place in what i personally consider best. This then becomes a problem when playing competitively, which is why i dont tend to play competitive games.
Some of the best PvP players play Elite Dangerous using KB/M because of the precise aiming you get, and this is even more true in Star Citizen.... but I refuse to accept KB/M is "better" than a full HOTAS setup,
similarly in FPS games. I loath the instant quick scope 100% accuracy, and the ability to jump around like a loon, spin 180 degrees in an instant and and have complete accuracy that a mouse gives. in these cases i like pad gaming fpsers *when they are done well* (not all are esp on PC) because its limitations force the gameplay to be a little more realistic imo. (and also means i can play lounging on the sofa.

its also partly why i have mostly stopped playing WarThunder...... hotas is so much more fun for me but when up against KB/M arcade players its stupidly hard. (and waiting for a match in full sim mode is painful).

NOTE i am not saying folk who prefer KB/M are wrong either.... just that some players who insist KB/M is the only way and all other players are inferior ARE wrong... because for some, the priorities of what is "best" are different and it is all subjective.

Cheaters on PC is also a massive downer for me.... I like the level playing field that a console offers with far less chance of cheating scum...... tho this is largely moot for me as i dont pay for online on console any more... but it is a very real concern for console players if they get forced into matches against pc players.

 

[Geck0]

Controllers were made to differentiate consoles from PC and negate the whole "where do I put that on my lap?" issue. They are regardless entirely crap and there is a reason the 2 ecosystems have been segregated, console kids would go into meltdown over the beatdown. It would take an exceptional controller player to even match a mediocre KB\M player.

Ultimately both will have to adjust due to outside influences (PC gaming becoming unsustainable and the demand by ex PC gamers for these inputs on consoles). I see controllers more or less holding their own in racing and basic platformers and shooters or anything demanding being taken over by KB\M.

I'd rather play need for speed for example on a controller vs KB\M. Unless someone comes out with a wheel & pedal that isn't stupidly priced - they may well have because I haven't been watching.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Controllers were made to differentiate consoles from PC and negate the whole "where do I put that on my lap?" issue. They are regardless entirely crap and there is a reason the 2 ecosystems have been segregated, console kids would go into meltdown over the beatdown. It would take an exceptional controller player to even match a mediocre KB\M player.

Ultimately both will have to adjust due to outside influences (PC gaming becoming unsustainable and the demand by ex PC gamers for these inputs on consoles). I see controllers more or less holding their own in racing and basic platformers and shooters or anything demanding being taken over by KB\M.

I'd rather play need for speed for example on a controller vs KB\M. Unless someone comes out with a wheel & pedal that isn't stupidly priced - they may well have because I haven't been watching.

see you totally missed my point..... never mind.
(you do surely know there is a massive demand for control pads on the pc though? even if you yourself do not use them? I dare say (i could be wrong) the demand for control pads on pc is far higher than demand for KB/M for gaming on a console.

if you do not belive me about how unrealistic KB/M play is in fpsers for instance, you should try one in VR... it would have to be a really BAD VR port however as the good ones actually stop you playing in VR like on a flat screen.
because VR actually puts you in the action far closer to real life, you likley would end up flat on your ass and puking in a bucket if you used a KB/M in VR like most do on a screen. the human body is not meant to move as fast as KB/M allows.

None of which matters 1 jot if all you care about is "owning" the opposition, but is a massive deal if you play more for the immersion/experience and are less bothered about your KD Ratio.

 

[5punk3monk3y]

I will be very interested in the Xbox 1 X if this mouse and keyboard support works well. Hopefully bring cross platform gaming into play

Imagine players of Xbox and PC (maybe PS4/5 soon too) playing on the same teams online in RTS and FPS. Can't wait to see console gamers cry when they are terrible in games such as Starcraft and proper FPS online games like Arma and Squad

I'm sure most consoles since the PS2 have promised M/KB support, afaik some titles released on previous gen consoles had support but it never seems to gain any traction (I know about the Xim but that thing is pointless)

see you totally missed my point..... never mind.
(you do surely know there is a massive demand for control pads on the pc though? even if you yourself do not use them? I dare say (i could be wrong) the demand for control pads on pc is far higher than demand for KB/M for gaming on a console.

I'm pretty sure there is a massive demand for M/KB on the PC too....

 

[andybird123]

its also partly why i have mostly stopped playing WarThunder...... hotas is so much more fun for me but when up against KB/M arcade players its stupidly hard. (and waiting for a match in full sim mode is painful).

warthunder in VR with hotas is pretty amazing, my K/D ratio shot up once I got a headset, the increased awareness and being able to track your enemy while you turn is a massive advantage that negates what kb/m can do in that game

 

[Geck0]

see you totally missed my point..... never mind.
(you do surely know there is a massive demand for control pads on the pc though? even if you yourself do not use them? I dare say (i could be wrong) the demand for control pads on pc is far higher than demand for KB/M for gaming on a console.

Didn't miss your point mate. Just saying that PC players getting access to KB\M on consoles would be like "the final countdown, splash the zeros" in effect. Not for all games, just anything shooter related.

Your point was that your preference was subjective. That's ok but it's not based in anything other than your opinion, which is no less or more valid than mine until the wheels hit the road. Let's argue again in a years time.

 

[DELETED_195422]

Personally, the idea of going back to consoles isn't an option for the reason i outlined below some months ago.

With the lack of a open digital market, it's closed nature, the reliance on retail (i hate physical media and value space), no free online gaming, pay-walled features, ***** network speeds (PSN is held together with duct tape and glue), lack of original IP, a non existent strategy genre, almost no mod support, it's focus on AAA and sequels (i'm snoring), lack of I/O options, adverts embedded within the interface, only 1 of the 3 support digital refunds, etc.

Giving everything up that makes PC gaming great, just to have a ***** little box under my TV and to play some overrated exclusives. No chance.

AAA gaming will be even worse next gen too, with fewer titles, everything will make the transformation to live services and have a sickening amount of microtransactions, loot boxes, etc.

I can see a lot of people switching to PC gaming next gen, not the other way about.

I prefer gaming on one platform too. It gets all my attention and i play more because of it. That money buying multiple consoles goes straight to my PC funds.

 

[aoaaron]

KB/M is amazing for some games [just playing ME2 with it, and its so quick, intuitive and makes issuing commands and FPS shooting worlds better than using a controlller) and sucks for others.
Controllers are better for most third person titles or platformers.

PC offers and supports BOTH which is whats amazing with this platform.


If I were starting from scratch in regards to gaming and had no knowledge or need for emulators of the wii/u library, I'd buy a console at this point.


However I think most of us have a steam catalogue of 200+ games, a humble monthly subscription giving is top class games every single month for next to no money, the option to join EA's game library at will, the ability to use emulators and play 4k versions of Wii/Wii U games..... then PC starts to really come away with the win.

 

[Guest2]

Do you guys realise how bad mouse gaming at 30fps and vsync is..? Not to mention rather high input lag on most TVs.

Yes, it would be like going back to the 90s - except I would have had a much better response time on my Dell monitor!
If console can only support 30fps then they should not marked the Xbox one X as keyboard and mouse support as it would be an instant failure.
TV input lag wise, it depends on the TV. Im sure there are TVs out there that have a gaming mode to reduce input lag

Edit - this was posted almost 8 years ago so im sure there are TVs now that are afordable and have low response times - https://www.gamespot.com/forums/gam...-good-enough-for-ps3-and-360-gaming-27413919/

 

[WantoN]

I find the controller hate very odd.

I use a controller on my pc a lot, I’m currently playing Headlander and it would feel awful on KB+M.

I love KB+M, it’s the first control method I ever used, and nothing compares for RTS, FPS and a plethora of other genres. However, there’s plenty of games where I would hate to use it, Witcher 3 and other third persons, top downs, platformers etc all come to mind.

It’s like some people get a kick out of people using consoles, and specifically controllers.

Controllers were made to differentiate consoles from PC and negate the whole "where do I put that on my lap?" issue. They are regardless entirely crap and there is a reason the 2 ecosystems have been segregated, console kids would go into meltdown over the beatdown.

I find this thought process super strange I’m afraid.

 

[WantoN]

However I think most of us have a steam catalogue of 200+ games, a humble monthly subscription giving is top class games every single month for next to no money

Firstly, the massive steam library problem is real, I have a compulsion to buy games on sale even though I have about a hundred yet to play.

Can I ask about Humble Monthly? Once you have a game, is it yours to keep it is there some sort of authentication?

Can I join for a couple of months for games I like, leave and then rejoin later (ad infinitum)?

Are you enjoying it?

 

[z10m]

Edit - this was posted almost 8 years ago so im sure there are TVs now that are afordable and have low response times - https://www.gamespot.com/forums/gam...-good-enough-for-ps3-and-360-gaming-27413919/

Response time and input lag are 2 different things.

 

[x-st]

Can I ask about Humble Monthly? Once you have a game, is it yours to keep it is there some sort of authentication?

Can I join for a couple of months for games I like, leave and then rejoin later (ad infinitum)?

Not a subscriber myself since I can't afford subs at the moment, but it works just like regular bundles. You get Steam Keys that work just like any other, with the early unlocks appearing in your humble account straight away (where you can activate them, gift them or leave them to rot!) and the rest of the Monthly Bundle stuff turning up at the end of the month in the reveal. There are also various subscription plans - so if for instance you wanted this months Monthly Unlocks but only wanted to sign up for a month you can do a single month for $12 (~£8.50) to get Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, GOD EATER 2: Rage Burst, and Mafia III, plus whatever other stuff unlocks at the end of the week (probably 4 or 5 more games). You also get access to the Humble Trove which lets you download (to keep) DRM free games (no Steam Key for those). Humble Monthly is a pretty good way to never ever have time to play through your backlog. Plus as a subscriber you get 10% off in the Humble store.

 

[WantoN]

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Awesome, thanks man. Hope you're keeping well by the way

 

[FoxEye]

I find the controller hate very odd.

I use a controller on my pc a lot, I’m currently playing Headlander and it would feel awful on KB+M.

I love KB+M, it’s the first control method I ever used, and nothing compares for RTS, FPS and a plethora of other genres. However, there’s plenty of games where I would hate to use it, Witcher 3 and other third persons, top downs, platformers etc all come to mind.

It’s like some people get a kick out of people using consoles, and specifically controllers.



I find this thought process super strange I’m afraid.

They're welcome to keep kb+m, and the endless cheating that goes with the platform You almost can't find a single server of a single online PC game that isn't riddled/dominated by cheats anyhow.

So what good is your kb/m when someone running cheat software will dominate you anyhow...

I play PC games with a controller anyhow (lol). So much more comfortable, and I play games for enjoyment, not league tables.

But it's true that every single online PC game is riddled with cheats, and always has been, since I first encountered MP PC games. There were cheats in Doom/Quake, cheats in Diablo 1, cheats in EverQuest. Cheating in the PC MP space pretty much defines that platform.

 

[andybird123]

I'm going to preface this by saying I dont consider myself to be that great when it comes to online competitive gaming, not bad, but not even "good", let alone great.

However, if that actually *is* true, then i must be flipping awesome, because on any given day I can usually be in the top half of the end board, and its not entirely unheard of for me to come top on my team.

I don't know how terribad you have to be to accuse everyone of cheating, but given how crap I am and don't see people beating me as cheaters then...

Not saying it never happens as I see the names of people being banned scroll across the top, but to say its "riddled" to the point of making it pointless to play is a gross overexaggeration i think.

 

[V F]

I find the controller hate very odd.

I use a controller on my pc a lot, I’m currently playing Headlander and it would feel awful on KB+M.

I love KB+M, it’s the first control method I ever used, and nothing compares for RTS, FPS and a plethora of other genres. However, there’s plenty of games where I would hate to use it, Witcher 3 and other third persons, top downs, platformers etc all come to mind.

It’s like some people get a kick out of people using consoles, and specifically controllers.



I find this thought process super strange I’m afraid.

So do I. I don’t understand that ideology either. Try playing keyboard/mouse on Uncharted or fighting games without looking down. When you know the layout of a controller you can quickly mash buttons.

However on Crushing or Brutal difficulties, the mouse would come in very handy for quick peeks for muscle memory to carry out headshots.

Keyboards/mice just isn’t practical for most RPG games plus I like the feel of gunshots and such for Dual Shock motors.

 

[WantoN]

But it's true that every single online PC game is riddled with cheats, and always has been, since I first encountered MP PC games.

It’s odd, I know people so bring this up, but I almost never have problems at all.

I did stop playing CS:GO, I didn’t like it anywhere as much as source or original, but I also found I was either very, very poor or lot of people were very fuss.

Still, my MP experience overall is very positive.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I'm going to preface this by saying I dont consider myself to be that great when it comes to online competitive gaming, not bad, but not even "good", let alone great.

However, if that actually *is* true, then i must be flipping awesome, because on any given day I can usually be in the top half of the end board, and its not entirely unheard of for me to come top on my team.

I don't know how terribad you have to be to accuse everyone of cheating, but given how crap I am and don't see people beating me as cheaters then...

Not saying it never happens as I see the names of people being banned scroll across the top, but to say its "riddled" to the point of making it pointless to play is a gross overexaggeration i think.

Was around the competitive seen for ages. There was plenty of cheating going on but not to the extent i couldn't find good servers with no cheats. Certain games were way worse than others most likely due to there crap anti cheat software. My team leader actually created his own sof2 ladder called Fairwars to get away from all the cheats in Clan Base. It turned into a decent sized community with like minded gamers, every match had an admin watching over to make sure the games were fair.

Have to admit while i came across plenty of cheats in my time it was not a huge problem. Playing on console does give the piece of mind that the playing field is equal. I am not the kind of guy to be bothered to much though and the cheaters we have come across ruin it far more for my mates as it bothers them far more than it does me. I tend to laugh it off and feel sorry for people that get enjoyment out of achieving nothing as using a cheat is the cheat winning and not the player.

I am in the same boat as you with skill. I am decent but not great. To play the best i had to practise way more than they ever did just to put up a good fight.

I do agree with a lot of what Fox has said in this thread but the majority of my best online experiences have come from the PC. While Cheaters have been a detracting part of it there are some cracking players on the PC who get accused of cheating while they are just plain really good. I have been accused of cheating many times due to owning players up not due to a great aim but more due to strategy and placement through many hours playing and learning from getting owned myself.