[H]ardOCP: GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice

[humbug]

He looks like Bond villian.

lol

 

[Satchfanuk]

He looks like Bond villian.

More likely to be an adversary of Austin Powers

 

[4K8KW10]

If you're suggesting they should behave more like nVidia to do better i agree, they should cancel the PCIe interface IP they license to nVidia so they no longer have an X86_64 Interface, that would really #### them up, just about every area nVidia operate in they need that X86_64 / AMD64 interface, if AMD took it away from them it would kill nVidia, stone dead, virtually over night.

And the rest of us.

I didn't get the last bit... what about the rest of us? An AMD monopoly in the discrete graphics will be better for all of us. AMD will have sufficient funds for R&D and develop new exciting graphics every year. Not like nVidia who are pathetic when it comes to innovations and driving progress forward.

https://wccftech.com/amd-reply-geforce-partner-program-radeon/

Vice President and General Manaager of AMD Radeon Gaming accuses NVIDIA GPP of monopolistic and anti competitive practices
In times like these it becomes increasingly difficult to let rational thought prevail and keep a cool head so I will take this oppurtunity to emphasize on why this is one of the bigger developments so far. NVIDIA GPP is a marketing program that the company published on their website for quite some time now. While discussions on whether or not what they are doing is ethical and whether we should let the market decide for itself will go on, it is important to parititon the allegations into two distinct categories. 1) the unethical and unsavory practices and 2) the downright illegal ones.

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[chrcoluk]

so hold on, its not just ROG been dumped for the AMD cards but the entire ASUS name. AREZ is replacing all ASUS AMD branded cards.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It looks like Intel has been affected too:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Where...Partner-Program-may-be-to-blame.300748.0.html

 

[LambChop]

No-one is forcing OEM's to sign up. Yet moan after they do ?

 

[TheRealDeal]

No-one is forcing OEM's to sign up. Yet moan after they do ?

Yea just blackmailed pretty much. Join or we will take away all the benefits you as a partner have had for years. That's about as forced as it gets.

 

[erazor51]

Get ready to see the biggest fine in history lol.

 

[Satchfanuk]

Get ready to see the biggest fine in history lol.

Could be an expensive year for NVidia after the publication of a flaw in their Nintendo Switch chips. Seems it's unfixable

 

[Troezar]

The EU won't like this despite their own protectionism. They don't seem to be afraid to make enemies, wonder if it will backfire on them...

 

[chrcoluk]

Could be an expensive year for NVidia after the publication of a flaw in their Nintendo Switch chips. Seems it's unfixable

what flaw? I do remember the debacles with the switch getting corruption in the new zelda game (which seemed like a gfx hardware problem to me) and other glitches, is it related?

 

[spoffle]

what flaw? I do remember the debacles with the switch getting corruption in the new zelda game (which seemed like a gfx hardware problem to me) and other glitches, is it related?

There's a flaw that allows them to be exploited, essentially cracked which would allow the use of custom firmware, and very likely the loading of ripped games, so piracy.

It's a pretty big deal that this is the reason, because no peice of hardware is ever completely secure, but I would be surprised if Nintendo aren't very upset with nVidia over this.

 

[Satchfanuk]

There's a flaw that allows them to be exploited, essentially cracked which would allow the use of custom firmware, and very likely the loading of ripped games, so piracy.

It's a pretty big deal that this is the reason, because no peice of hardware is ever completely secure, but I would be surprised if Nintendo aren't very upset with nVidia over this.

As I understand it, this related to all Tegra X1 chips, not just those in the Nintendo Switch. Not sure what else those are in but could be interesting.

Going by recent form, Nvidia have probably 'already moved on' from this story

 

[chrcoluk]

There's a flaw that allows them to be exploited, essentially cracked which would allow the use of custom firmware, and very likely the loading of ripped games, so piracy.

It's a pretty big deal that this is the reason, because no peice of hardware is ever completely secure, but I would be surprised if Nintendo aren't very upset with nVidia over this.

Ok so a security flaw thats unpatchable, thats an ouch yeah.

I just did a bit of reading, and it turns out the lady who discovered it agreed to not disclose it unless someone else did so.

Then mysteriously apparently someone else was going to do it so she disclosed it, and conveniently she is working on a custom firmware.

Given my view that I think disclosing meltdown and spectre was very irresponsible I think its predictable of what I am about to say.

The chances of her developing a firmware for a flaw she agreed to not disclose, at the same time someone else discovers it, she then discovers they discovered it before they disclose it, all one hell of a coincidence.

I think the real turn of events is she regretted doing the NDA, wanted to do this firmware, so arranged for the events to allow her to breach the NDA under the agreement she made. She better hope nintendo dont find any proof as they have deep pockets for a legal case.

 

[Satchfanuk]

Ok so a security flaw thats unpatchable, thats an ouch yeah.

I just did a bit of reading, and it turns out the lady who discovered it agreed to not disclose it unless someone else did so.

Then mysteriously apparently someone else was going to do it so she disclosed it, and conveniently she is working on a custom firmware.

Given my view that I think disclosing meltdown and spectre was very irresponsible I think its predictable of what I am about to say.

The chances of her developing a firmware for a flaw she agreed to not disclose, at the same time someone else discovers it, she then discovers they discovered it before they disclose it, all one hell of a coincidence.

I think the real turn of events is she regretted doing the NDA, wanted to do this firmware, so arranged for the events to allow her to breach the NDA under the agreement she made. She better hope nintendo dont find any proof as they have deep pockets for a legal case.

I think you've maybe misunderstood what happened. The flaw was reported to NVidia and Nintendo under the voluntary 'responsible disclosure' policy which allows hardware/software vendors 90 days to investigate and come up with a fix.

Unfortunately, in this case, there doesn't seem to be a fix. Since the flaw is apparently quite easy to expose, it was inevitable that some other hackers would find it and release information about it.

This is what has happened now and so all details have been released. It was only a day before the 90 days expired anyway. Obviously during the 90 days, these hackers have been working on customising the firmware etc.

*** This is heading off topic, there is a thread in the consoles section related to this if you want to continue discussing there

 

[Rezident]

Again I'm sorry to say that it doesn't matter if AMD cant provide a compelling alternative, they still to this day dont have a product that can match or beat a 1080Ti. Dont blame the customers for going for one if thats the only card at the performance point.
I'm sorry but AMD are not BIG enough any more to put the needed talent and money into R&D for both CPU's and GPU's, I would rather that Intel or another company big enough buy whats left of ATI's tech and make a true competitor to Nvidia.

I truly believe that we have a very high chance of never seeing AMD match Nvidia any more, they are running away with the show now. This program is showing how bold Nvidia feels now about the position they have!

This is a good point, Nvidia must be laughing their back sides off at gpu buyers, there does not seem to be anything they can do that will stop people buying their cards. Nvidia is Trump! How far can they push it? £2,000 cards and mandatory registration and tracking and tracing etc. Bend over and take it lads, Nvidia is The Daddy.

I do not feel Nvidia will be a benevolent overlord!

 

[KillBoY_UK]

I didn't get the last bit... what about the rest of us? An AMD monopoly in the discrete graphics will be better for all of us. AMD will have sufficient funds for R&D and develop new exciting graphics every year. Not like nVidia who are pathetic when it comes to innovations and driving progress forward.
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Troll or just naive ?

A monopoly, whoever has the monopoly is always bad, always stagnates innovation and ups pricing. I remember the days when AMD/ATI clearly had the best GPU's and CPU's they commanded the highest prices and only did minor bumps in there product stacks to keep ahead until the there was a real threat.

 

[Satchfanuk]

Troll or just naive ?

A monopoly, whoever has the monopoly is always bad, always stagnates innovation and ups pricing. I remember the days when AMD/ATI clearly had the best GPU's and CPU's they commanded the highest prices and only did minor bumps in there product stacks to keep ahead until the there was a real threat.

Sorry, I must have missed that, when exactly did AMD have a monopoly on CPU's and had the highest prices? I certainly don't remember them ever being in a position like you describe.

 

[4K8KW10]

A monopoly, whoever has the monopoly is always bad, always stagnates innovation and ups pricing. I remember the days when AMD/ATI clearly had the best GPU's and CPU's they commanded the highest prices and only did minor bumps in there product stacks to keep ahead until the there was a real threat.

AMD is a social responsible company, and that differs it to nVidia and Intel who are just in the seek of more profits with any possible dirty or not so dirty business practices.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Sorry, I must have missed that, when exactly did AMD have a monopoly on CPU's and had the highest prices? I certainly don't remember them ever being in a position like you describe.

CPU's: K8 days, no competition on the high end so prices where up not far Intel's at the time especially on the FX's at the time, AMD CPU prices didn't drop dramatically until they had to (Core 2). When 9700/9800 dominated GPU's they prices didn't move much until there was good competition, minor bumps like the 9800XT at even higher prices. The 7950/7970 commanded high prices until Kepler showed up.

If you think AMD would release more and better GPU's with good pricing if they had a monopoly you are mistaken, they are a business like any other. Same would go for Intel and Nvidia.

Leave any company alone with a monopoly slows down innovation and raise prices.