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drunkenmaster said:
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This. But with fewer paragraphs ( :p ).

If the cars punched a bigger hole in the air, then the slipstream would be worth a damn. But they don't punch a big hole in the air, because they're now more than ever designed like darts - long wheelbase, narrow bodywork. Now of course, the very same act of punching a large hole in the air increases the problem of following another car in the turns. Which is why the sport needs ******* ground effect.
 
Omg no it does not need ground force.

The sport needs to scrap aero COMPLETELY.

Purely mechanical grip is what is needed, gives a natural limit to engine development, so no point in spending millions on getting the last horsepower out, if you can't get it down.

Would equalise all cars overnight, make it far more down to driver skill not who can make the best engine.

There are no dowm sides to this option, everything would be better.
More competitive teams.
More overtakes.
More exciting racing
Cheaper for teams
Encourage more teams to enter
Have teams running three cars maybe.

Its win win win for everyone
 
Look, the genie has been out of the bottle with regards to wings and aerodynamic devices in this championship since 1968, '69. And if you 'ban wings', what's the first thing that happens? Teams spend insane amounts of money shaping the body of the car to get some downforce back. Then some bright spark says 'well the rule book doesn't say that we can't make something stick out here', and then three years later all the cars are spikier than Sonic the Hedgehog and wings are effectively back in the sport.

Ground effect solves the problem of following other cars taking air off your own wings at a stroke. Yeah, it adds a little danger with what tends to happen when a ground effect car gets lifted up a bit. Combine GE with active suspension and you mitigate that danger a reasonable amount. But really, it's motor racing. It's supposed to be a little dangerous. Otherwise, what's the point?
 
Entai said:
Omg no it does not need ground force.

The sport needs to scrap aero COMPLETELY.

Purely mechanical grip is what is needed, gives a natural limit to engine development, so no point in spending millions on getting the last horsepower out, if you can't get it down.

Would equalise all cars overnight, make it far more down to driver skill not who can make the best engine.

There are no dowm sides to this option, everything would be better.
More competitive teams.
More overtakes.
More exciting racing
Cheaper for teams
Encourage more teams to enter
Have teams running three cars maybe.

Its win win win for everyone
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There is already a formula car like this.

https://goo.gl/images/gVsPcc
 
According to Auto Motor und Sport, Ferrari are being accused of periodically bypassing measuring sensors in order to achieve more than the four megajoules allowed.

This effect would come from a deliberate manipulation of electrical resistance and battery output.
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Yikes. Circumventing the regulatory sensors is a very serious offence. I hope the FIA have the balls to throw the book at them if it's found to be true.

It'd be interesting to know how that's been discovered. I can't see how another team would find something that intrinsic to the engine, so it would have to have come from either inside Ferrari or one of the teams they supply or one of the FIA's technical overviews of the car. If it was the latter, why would the teams be asking for the engine to be reviewed?
 
Spunkey said:
Yikes. Circumventing the regulatory sensors is a very serious offence. I hope the FIA have the balls to throw the book at them if it's found to be true.

It'd be interesting to know how that's been discovered. I can't see how another team would find something that intrinsic to the engine, so it would have to have come from either inside Ferrari or one of the teams they supply or one of the FIA's technical overviews of the car. If it was the latter, why would the teams be asking for the engine to be reviewed?
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Agreed, to make such a claim they must have some good/inside evidence. Serious if found to be true. It isn't just pushing the boundaries of the rules in this case, it is circumventing them altogether. The most likely outcome would be an insignificant fine which would set a terrible precedent - standard for the FIA at the moment.
 
Entai said:
The sport needs to scrap aero COMPLETELY.
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If the car is passing through air, then that air will exert forces on the car and the designers will shape the cars to exploit those forces. You only have to look at the Ferrari mirror issue to see that the teams will look for any opportunity to exploit that airflow, whatever the regulations.

Once F1 goes full electric and the halo gets replaced with a fully enclosed canopy, then we can run the cars in a vacuum with a pressurised cockpit. Until then, there will always be aero.
 
Red Bull were disqualified from a race at the beginning of 2016 (I think!) when they said that their own measurements of fuel flow disagreed with the official measurements and were swiftly kicked out of the race. If Ferrari are found to have completely bypassed the official sensors then that's a far more heinous crime and should really see them have all points removed as long as they've been doing it. Although to bypass the sensors, why wasn't this picked up in scrutineering before?
 
deuse said:
The worst part is going to be Sky repeating about this for 3 days :(
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and the constant repeating/dumbing it down for 'those of you new to the sport'. I always wonder how many people this actually refers to :p

I really like Ant's video analysis. He hasn't quite gotten into the swing of wandering around and chatting away from that screen at the moment though.
 
I work in a power station and you'd be surprised how easy it is (relatively) to bypass a sensor and keep going without anyone noticing.

In fact, at times it is required e.g. a faulty transmitter sending dubious signals to the control system which would bin the plant is not good, so the sensor is "forced" to see a value that the system recognises as safe.

Now... if they've deliberately circumvented the sensors to gain an advantage then they deserve to be heavily penalised.
 
EVH said:
I work in a power station and you'd be surprised how easy it is (relatively) to bypass a sensor and keep going without anyone noticing.

In fact, at times it is required e.g. a faulty transmitter sending dubious signals to the control system which would bin the plant is not good, so the sensor is "forced" to see a value that the system recognises as safe.

Now... if they've deliberately circumvented the sensors to gain an advantage then they deserve to be heavily penalised.
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I predict a 10 second penalty :)
 
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