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Intel Discrete GPU Codenamed Arctic Sound Will Have Gaming Variant, Landing in 2020

Hmm 2020 will be interesting then, I'm looking forward to seeing what Intel bring to the table. Anything to make Nvidia get off of their arse and make us punters happier.
 
Intel graphics drivers. Jiggers eyelid twitches slightly.

You know it's true! Here is just one example, I have a vega M laptop with intel integrated graphics also onboard. I have had it what a few weeks and have noticed a significant issue where if I am connected to my 3x 1440 screens at work using displaylink, if my machine goes to sleep it will bluescreen on s3 resume with an intel driver issue. Now you might think this is a new issue with this machine but not at all, I had the same issue on my old gtx970/intel integrated laptop from day 1 and was running that for 2.5 years. So at work I need to force usage of the high performance adapter to mitigate the issue, same as I did on my old machine, so that;s what almost 3 years of the same issue and no intel fix :(

I do hope that what they release will be brilliant with decent drivers and just an all around good product but history tells a different story.
 
Well its true :p i don't get how people witch-hunt AMD for nVidia's faults, its madness.

Oh and look at my signature..... :D

Oh I know it's true, hence me being facetious ;)

And your signature just tells me you're a fence-sitter, hedging your bets on both sides of the camp. Pick a side and be a fanboi like most people online :D
 
Oh I know it's true, hence me being facetious ;)

And your signature just tells me you're a fence-sitter, hedging your bets on both sides of the camp. Pick a side and be a fanboi like most people online :D

Your partly right, i just go where ever my money gets me the most, my last GPU was a GTX 970, the one before that an R9 290, my last CPU a 4690K.
 
https://techreport.com/news/33826/larrabee-architect-tom-forsyth-rejoins-intel

Larrabee architect Tom Forsyth rejoins Intel

Intel has been adding big-name semiconductor talent to its bench at a rapid clip over the past few months, and it's added another such name to its roster with the return of Larrabee architect Tom Forsyth. In a tweet, Forsyth confirmed that he will be returning to the blue team as a chip architect under Raja Koduri in the Core and Visual Computing Group. Forsyth says he's "not entirely sure what [he'll] be working on just yet."

Personal job news - I start at Intel shortly as a chip architect in Raja Koduri's group. Not entirely sure what I'll be working on just yet. But do let me know if you have any suggestions.

Go on. Hit post. You know you want to. Whisper words of wisdom...
— Tom Forsyth (@tom_forsyth) June 19, 2018


Forsyth was one of the key architects responsible for Intel's Larrabee many-core vector processor and its accompanying instruction set (best known today as AVX-512), and Intel has made no bones about its goal to introduce high-performance discrete graphics processors to the market as soon as 2020.

Given Intel's fresh enthusiasm for graphics—a zeal that was apparently lacking during Larrabee's development and ultimately resulted in its relegation to the data center as a high-performance computing part—Forsyth's expertise could play a role in massively parallel processing chips many years still in the future. Perhaps we'll hear just what Forsyth ultimately worked on at the end of one of the many-year cycles of chip development yet to occur.

Wonder if that means the new GPU will have a small touch of Larrabee with it?
 
Will it be the Larrabee software approach (which honestly needs years and years of research and development) or are they actually doing it hardware this time?
 
Will it be the Larrabee software approach (which honestly needs years and years of research and development) or are they actually doing it hardware this time?

At this point they've only really hired hardware talent that I can see - to stand a chance of a Larrabee type approach they'd need to hire some top flight software talent.
 
https://techreport.com/news/33826/larrabee-architect-tom-forsyth-rejoins-intel

Wonder if that means the new GPU will have a small touch of Larrabee with it?

First a glimpse of Wang, now a touch of Larrabee... is this all code?!?

I would not expect Intel to be able to hit a home run in the Desktop GPU market on their first outing. There are decades of knowledge in writing gaming optimised drivers in AMD and Nvidia that Intel just don't have.

I expect them to initially go after some AI/Datacentre/prosumer based device with some specific sales pitch, but it is exciting to see a giant with the R&D budget of Intel step back into the ring. They don't have the preconceptions and history of doing something a certain way - so there is a distinct possibility of them going in a completely new direction - we have just seen how succesful it can be when a major chip designer goes back to the drawing board to design a chip from the ground up...

So my expectation is low but I will be following news with interest.

[edit] I would love to know the size of the team they have working now, because there are two reasons I can see for their current direction.
Firstly cynical; they are having major hiccups with their chips - providing some key hires of a GPU like nature is a good way of keeping the market positive about what they are doing and keep stockholders invested.
Second breakthrough; Linus reported that there has been a team quietly working on GPU tech in intel for the last 8 years, it has had many names and budgets and projects but has been ongoing. It is very possible that they have now actually have a technology that they know works and are bringing in some big guns to work out how to scale it up and make it real. If you think about the 2020 launch date that is way too tight a time frame to design something from scratch - they already have significant building blocks in place and need to pull them together.
 
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It is very easy to forget that Intel have a graphics team already, all of Intel's non HEDT CPU's, have graphics cores in them. Yes they may not be the fastest, but they work.
 
At this point they've only really hired hardware talent that I can see - to stand a chance of a Larrabee type approach they'd need to hire some top flight software talent.

This seems to point to some sort of GPU with low power x86 co-processor(s) onboard, maybe.
 
It is very easy to forget that Intel have a graphics team already, all of Intel's non HEDT CPU's, have graphics cores in them. Yes they may not be the fastest, but they work.


but that team has spent the past decade performing terribly. They made DX10 gpus that failed to meet half the DX10 spec, then the same with DX11 and DX12 gpus. Their drivers are woeful with constant bugs in games and graphical artefacts. Their existing team is awful and if they don't build a new team that can do better they'll do badly. THe efficiency and performance of their gpus is currently embarrassingly bad. The gpu in the say 8700k gets absolutely trounced by the gpu in raven ridge both in out right performance but IQ, working in more games without bugs, etc, it's night and day difference.


I question the dates being talked about. As said in other threads Intel currently has zero good news in their biggest segments, desktop AMD is fighting back massively and reducing Intel's margins, server is going to be in major trouble through to at least the end of 2020 due to process problems and they only recently started hiring graphics and cpu design people.... if Raja started on a fresh project now the idea it would be ready in 2020 is actually kind of laughable. Tape outs take 18 months or more these days on ultra complex process nodes, on older easier nodes it was 18 months for a x86 cpu but maybe 8-12 months for gpu, these numbers have had 6+ months added to them due to node complexity.

That leaves almost no time for actually building an architecture let alone building a team of people who are better than the existing not good team at Intel. THe pro Raja press with the only 'new' project that wouldn't be directly effected by process node (nothing stopping them releasing 14nm gpus) and the only place they can remotely claim to be taking the fight to AMD/Nvidia rather than the other way around it's not surprising this is the focus of their stock price protecting media push.

But Intel have been saying each and every year for 3 years that there is no issue with 10nm and it's on track... finally conceding this year that was bull and it's getting a delay for a problem they say they know how to fix. Intel have been lying about time lines and process nodes for years as things fail. Personally I think this is just more of the same, we 'could' see a gpu in 2020, positive news and something they can talk about, 2020 comes around and they talk about a 6 month delay, 2021 comes about and another 6 month delay.
 
There could be another alternative(it might be slim though) that Intel has licensed some AMD graphics tech and is using that for their first new GPU. Remember,Matrox eventually just bought AMD GPUs for their cards and used their own firmware.
 
It's not outside the realms of possibility that Intel have licensed some kind of Vega tech and then brought Raja himself over to spin it in a different direction. Akin to AMD's x64?
 
It's not outside the realms of possibility that Intel have licensed some kind of Vega tech and then brought Raja himself over to spin it in a different direction. Akin to AMD's x64?

It does make me wonder,as they already have Polaris/Vega tech in the special parts they are selling,and even Navi is probably a Vega iteration of some sort.
 
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