Apple becomes most valuable firm of all time

well it easy to make a load of money when you don't pay tax :)

and i serious note i remember as a young lad that people LOVED the apple II because they could build anything and everything for it because Wozniak and made it like that, and that Jobs hate that, so much so that he couldn't wait to stop making the apple II and force everyone into use only apple made stuff
 
it's interesting this, sure they might be valuable from a market monetary perspective, but at the same time they're not that strong.

imagine if you will we took out apple- nuked it, gone, no more products or services, well we have a lot of people annoyed about it, and then the gap will be filled by its alternatives (windows/android/amazon) pretty quickly.

now imagine we took out google, or microsoft. it's a different story.
 
Everyone complains about apple making so much money and comment with 'i will never have a apple product's...in other news they say Amazon will become as big as apple and I bet 90% of people shop on Amazon :)
 
Schizo said:
Everyone complains about apple making so much money and comment with 'i will never have a apple product's...in other news they say Amazon will become as big as apple and I bet 90% of people shop on Amazon :)
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People complain because at the very least Apple has really taken a shine to it's bureaucratic hegemony over it's devices, constantly trying to absolve itself of local laws over repair and making it a living hell for it's OWN partners to do business.

Amazon just has a mild issue with employee pay.
 
Nasher said:
Apple have always been form over function. Like I said, they are fashion items.

When your more than an end user, Macs are *****. You find out how badly made they really are. Including their OS.
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Actually over a large sample size it turns out they're way more cost effective - IBM bought tens of thousands of them and has the data to support that rather than anecdotes or some computer enthusiasts bitching about soldered parts or sharing a youtube video about cooling - in the real world, when looking at the costs, they're better:

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html

The icing on the user preference cake is that it turns out there are solid business reasons to encourage staff to move to Mac. Not only has the company been saving between $264-$535 for each Mac deployment over four years, but just 3.5 percent of employees using a Mac will call the company help desk, he said. “Give employees the devices they want, manage those devices in a modern way, and drive self sufficiency in the environment,” Previn explains.

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This is fully in line with experiences shared in 2015, when Previn said just 5 percent of IBM’s Mac users needed to call the help desk; In contrast, an astonishing 40 percent of PC staff request tech support help. At IBM last year just 25 staff supported 30,000 Macs.

Moving to Mac has also had a big impact on employee engagement at IBM, which climbed 10 percent year-on-year, with an employee survey attributing this freshened up enthusiasm to IBM’s provision of “better tools for IT”. The company reports a hugely impressive “91 percent user satisfaction” from its Mac users.

The longer this scheme runs the more compelling the business case becomes, he admits. “I can confidently say every Mac that we buy is making and saving IBM money,”
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"but but but they're just "stylish" and overpriced... they're just bought by hipsters and girls" is a common anecdote

if we're going in for anecdotes I'll point out that some of the best technical people I've worked with in the past have been Mac users and insisted on being given a Mac as their work machine, I'm certainly not a fan boy I was happy with various Dell Latitude laptops for years

if you look at the likes of Facebook and Google the majority of their employees seem to be more than happy to elect to use Macs - but I guess all those Google engineers are hipster plebs who don't know anything
 
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Nasher said:
Apple have always been form over function. Like I said, they are fashion items.

When your more than an end user, Macs are *****. You find out how badly made they really are. Including their OS.
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You're absolutely correct.

By the way, the only reason they get less support calls is because no one will make any real applications for it. Any real application which could possibly need support will most probably be on Windows, Macs will only be utilised for dumbed down tasks like iPhoto or hipster crap like showing off garageband or something that's why they wont get any support calls. :D

Cant believe how brainwashed people are really. At least control the variables and have the macs using the same application as the PC, such as Adobe CS. If these brainwashed people still think the Mac will get less support calls then there is no hope really. :(

Schizo said:
Everyone complains about apple making so much money and comment with 'i will never have a apple product's...in other news they say Amazon will become as big as apple and I bet 90% of people shop on Amazon :)
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I don't think its simply because they "make money". I think its more to do with the lies and manipulation. Their marketing is just too much and they prey on non-technical people.

I still know people who think "Retina" is the most advanced screen ever.

Also remember one time when my mates old man bought some "iSight" or whatever buzzword they plastered on a cheap webcam, poor guy actually thought he'd bought the most advanced webcam and was so excited that he'd spared no expense so he could skype with the best quality, I just couldn't bear to tell him he could have had 3x better quality with a half-the-price Logitech. It was really saddening. Probably would have had better encoder performance on Windows too.
 
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Every company lie and I thought that is common knowledge.

They make things out to be the best out there,sometimes it is but there are other items that are just as good for less than 50% of the price.

Linus tech tips mentioned a little while ago that apple make £700 on every iPhone x,if people want to feed the company then that's entirely up to them.

My last top phone was a htc one M7 ( the one with the back made out of allumium)

Since then it's been £100 of less and I've enjoyed everyone :)
 
When this thread started in 2012 I remember sitting round the table with my girls, their boyfriends and a couple of friends who all had iPhone. The conversation got to the 'but they are so easy to use' stage which is still used today. You click on this icon for contacts, that for sms, that for Facebook and so on. When I showed you did exactly the same for Android they were gobsmacked :) My daughters and their fiancé's all have hi spec Androids now for Facebook and WhatsApp.
 
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I actually think android is easier to use
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I've never found Android easier than iOS. Google have insisted on a back/home/recent apps button for years which has always been a really terrible navigation paradigm (press the back button to hide the keyboard, go back in an app, go back to a different app, or go back home). They should just have a swipe from left to right to go back, right to left to go forward and press the home button to go home.

Google are also lacking a desktop syncing app. When I connect an iPhone to my laptop, I simply press 'sync' in iTunes and all of my music is copied across without any further intervention. There's no such app from Google which relies on you having to manually manage all of your music yourself through a file manager.
 
I don't have time to mess about managing music these days. Spotify does me fine.

The back button was one of the things which came to mind funnily enough. Find it hard work when using the Mrs iPad and I'm always asking how to I go back!! Guess it's what you get used to.
 
TheOracle said:
I don't have time to mess about managing music these days. Spotify does me fine.

The back button was one of the things which came to mind funnily enough. Find it hard work when using the Mrs iPad and I'm always asking how to I go back!! Guess it's what you get used to.
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Just swipe from the left edge of the screen to the right. No need to have to remember what a back button is going to do other than go back.
 
Loves Love Island said:
Actually over a large sample size it turns out they're way more cost effective - IBM bought tens of thousands of them and has the data to support that rather than anecdotes or some computer enthusiasts bitching about soldered parts or sharing a youtube video about cooling - in the real world, when looking at the costs, they're better:

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html



"but but but they're just "stylish" and overpriced... they're just bought by hipsters and girls" is a common anecdote

if we're going in for anecdotes I'll point out that some of the best technical people I've worked with in the past have been Mac users and insisted on being given a Mac as their work machine, I'm certainly not a fan boy I was happy with various Dell Latitude laptops for years

if you look at the likes of Facebook and Google the majority of their employees seem to be more than happy to elect to use Macs - but I guess all those Google engineers are hipster plebs who don't know anything
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Yet almost no one uses a Mac based corporate network. They often trial it then realize it's just inferior to windows server or Linux.

We recently had a department put in a business case for having them. But when we started looking in to it, it just couldn't be justified. All the software they need is available on windows and supporting Macs would be more of a burden on the IT team.
 
Nasher said:
Yet almost no one uses a Mac based corporate network. They often trial it then realize it's just inferior to windows server or Linux.
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thats grasping a bit tbh... when people are criticising apple products on here they're generally referring to the end user stuff like phones and laptops etc..
 
Oh alright then, I'll chime in with my experience.

I've always been an Android person, from day dot. I did have an iPhone for a year or so in-between and went back to Android. I'll openly admit the primary reason for this is the ability to not download music for free honest guv. I currently have an LG G6 which tries to pretend it's a top tier Android phone but hardware wise it falls a bit short. I only got this phone because I lost my Samsung Note 3 and this is what the insurance company gave me, I've always been a Samsung user. With the Android phones the experience has never been smooth. Yes it's not a bad system by a long shot (lol, phone just freaked out as I'm typing this, I think my phone knows I'm considering the dark side) but it's never properly smooth. I occasionally have to reboot my phone, it'll freeze, hang, lag, the screen will go on the fritz a bit, it's just not always 100%. None of these things are a deal breaker and are always very easily fixed but they still exist and still happen. Don't tell me my phone is borked, these issues plague every Android device and denying it is just lying to yourself. I've had many, many Android phones / tablets over the years and they all have these little niggles.

I now have an iPhone 7 for work and it's fantastic. It's slick, smooth, easy to use and just does what I tell it to. It doesn't lock up or hang, it doesn't lag, the battery life is great (it's only 5 weeks old, give it time) and although I have to pay for even just looking at it, those payments definitely give me a smoother user experience.

That said, it does my head in that I need an adapter to use my headphones, Apple's airpods are £lol for a bit of gimmicky tech and the stock headphones are absolutely dogwank. Even when making a call with the iPhone it connects instantly, whereas there's often a delay of up to 10 seconds with the Android. The call quality is better on the iPhone, the speaker is better, it's just a much smoother / less frustrating experience.

I have both phones on me at all times but nowadays 99% of the time when I need to do something, it's the iPhone that comes out of my pocket. My Android is pretty much an MP3 player at this point.
 
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