Apple becomes most valuable firm of all time

asim18 said:
You're absolutely correct.

By the way, the only reason they get less support calls is because no one will make any real applications for it. Any real application which could possibly need support will most probably be on Windows, Macs will only be utilised for dumbed down tasks like iPhoto or hipster crap like showing off garageband or something that's why they wont get any support calls. :D

Cant believe how brainwashed people are really. At least control the variables and have the macs using the same application as the PC, such as Adobe CS. If these brainwashed people still think the Mac will get less support calls then there is no hope really. :(
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My employer let’s you pick MAC or Windows/iPhone or Android.

I generally go between them I do think in general the MBP is a well built laptop but doesn’t justify the £500-600 premium over an XPS.

We saw similar to IBM the Macs caused a lot less hassle with lower support calls and a lower hardware failure rate, until the poor keyboards on the 2016 & 2017 MBPs. They are running the same applications mainly Microsoft Office and Adobe products. I use virtual machines on mine and cycle into work with it so mine gets well used.

Some folk run Windows 10 in boot camp exclusively as they don’t get on with OSX, they simply prefer the Mac hardware. It’s not a status symbol either as a few have covered up the Apple logo to avoid the hipster comments.

A good example of less issues is the XPS laptops, the killer WiFi card is rubbish so drops WiFi randomly, we now swap them out for an Intel card.

Going into my Windows laptop/Android phone year so will be interesting how I get on after a couple of years of Macs/iPhones.
 
My friend has a 2k Dell XPS and the wifi is shocking, not as good as my £700 HP Omen laptop.

You can't play games on Macs, so I will stick to Windows. You would think with all this money Apple would sort out gaming, they should be more ambitious.
 
Eurofighter said:
My friend has a 2k Dell XPS and the wifi is shocking, not as good as my £700 HP Omen laptop.

You can't play games on Macs, so I will stick to Windows. You would think with all this money Apple would sort out gaming, they should be more ambitious.
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Have a think about where the money comes from. In corporate land if showing up with a Omen laptop is like showing up in a Primark suit.
 
ultralaser said:
Have a think about where the money comes from. In corporate land if showing up with a Omen laptop is like showing up in a Primark suit.
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You could turn up with an XPS 15 or HP Spectre and no-one would bat an eyelid. yet the XPS and Spectre could play games too. I think the reason imacs and macbooks are generally poor at games is due to them always choosing lower end GPU's to keep the fan speed down in a thin and light device. There's little point converting games for machines that can't handle them. As a result gamers don't usually buy imacs and ipads so the market for games is very small.
 
Tefal said:
Cooling aside but from a design point of view isnt soldered just better in every way?

Cheaper, more compact, more reliable, less parts, simplified manufacturing etc yes


The only downside is upgradability/repair but neither of those are really in Apple's design brief no one buys an apple product expecting to add thier own parts
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For some parts like RAM there are obvious advantages like size.

For parts like SSD's soldering has no advantages, it doesn't reduce part count and means when the products fail people can't get their data back. Apple customer service is infamously terrible because when they do repairs they wipe all your data.
 
Diddums said:
Oh alright then, I'll chime in with my experience.

I've always been an Android person, from day dot. I did have an iPhone for a year or so in-between and went back to Android. I'll openly admit the primary reason for this is the ability to not download music for free honest guv. I currently have an LG G6 which tries to pretend it's a top tier Android phone but hardware wise it falls a bit short. I only got this phone because I lost my Samsung Note 3 and this is what the insurance company gave me, I've always been a Samsung user. With the Android phones the experience has never been smooth. Yes it's not a bad system by a long shot (lol, phone just freaked out as I'm typing this, I think my phone knows I'm considering the dark side) but it's never properly smooth. I occasionally have to reboot my phone, it'll freeze, hang, lag, the screen will go on the fritz a bit, it's just not always 100%. None of these things are a deal breaker and are always very easily fixed but they still exist and still happen. Don't tell me my phone is borked, these issues plague every Android device and denying it is just lying to yourself. I've had many, many Android phones / tablets over the years and they all have these little niggles.

I now have an iPhone 7 for work and it's fantastic. It's slick, smooth, easy to use and just does what I tell it to. It doesn't lock up or hang, it doesn't lag, the battery life is great (it's only 5 weeks old, give it time) and although I have to pay for even just looking at it, those payments definitely give me a smoother user experience.

That said, it does my head in that I need an adapter to use my headphones, Apple's airpods are £lol for a bit of gimmicky tech and the stock headphones are absolutely dogwank. Even when making a call with the iPhone it connects instantly, whereas there's often a delay of up to 10 seconds with the Android. The call quality is better on the iPhone, the speaker is better, it's just a much smoother / less frustrating experience.

I have both phones on me at all times but nowadays 99% of the time when I need to do something, it's the iPhone that comes out of my pocket. My Android is pretty much an MP3 player at this point.
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Exactly this tbh.

Iv had both over many years but I went iPhone 8+ and won't look back now I don't think, it was that judder in Android that eventually made me have enough and it was a high spec LG phone, also tried Samsung etc.......non of them match the power house iPhones at the end of the day and ios software optimization makes for a butter smooth experience.

So much so my Mrs recently went from a 4 month old mid range Samsung phone to an iPhone SE.....the SE mutilates her old 'new' Samsung phone.....she gets excited still two weeks after changing the camera loads instantly and she loves not having to quit apps etc to speed the phone up.....she changed after seeing how fast I could take photos on my 8+....the se isn't particularly any slower in day to day use.....she just wanted a smooth camera to use and a better quality one than her old android and the se does that....she wanted that as she wanted a small phone.
 
Energize said:
For some parts like RAM there are obvious advantages like size.

For parts like SSD's soldering has no advantages, it doesn't reduce part count and means when the products fail people can't get their data back. Apple customer service is infamously terrible because when they do repairs they wipe all your data.
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Well it reduces your parts count by removing all the socket components and a whole manufacturing step where somone has to plug it in.
 
Hades said:
You could turn up with an XPS 15 or HP Spectre and no-one would bat an eyelid. yet the XPS and Spectre could play games too. I think the reason imacs and macbooks are generally poor at games is due to them always choosing lower end GPU's to keep the fan speed down in a thin and light device. There's little point converting games for machines that can't handle them. As a result gamers don't usually buy imacs and ipads so the market for games is very small.
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Looking on steam nearly every big game runs on macs
 
Diddums said:
Oh alright then, I'll chime in with my experience.

I've always been an Android person, from day dot. I did have an iPhone for a year or so in-between and went back to Android. I'll openly admit the primary reason for this is the ability to not download music for free honest guv. I currently have an LG G6 which tries to pretend it's a top tier Android phone but hardware wise it falls a bit short. I only got this phone because I lost my Samsung Note 3 and this is what the insurance company gave me, I've always been a Samsung user. With the Android phones the experience has never been smooth. Yes it's not a bad system by a long shot (lol, phone just freaked out as I'm typing this, I think my phone knows I'm considering the dark side) but it's never properly smooth. I occasionally have to reboot my phone, it'll freeze, hang, lag, the screen will go on the fritz a bit, it's just not always 100%. None of these things are a deal breaker and are always very easily fixed but they still exist and still happen. Don't tell me my phone is borked, these issues plague every Android device and denying it is just lying to yourself. I've had many, many Android phones / tablets over the years and they all have these little niggles.

I now have an iPhone 7 for work and it's fantastic. It's slick, smooth, easy to use and just does what I tell it to. It doesn't lock up or hang, it doesn't lag, the battery life is great (it's only 5 weeks old, give it time) and although I have to pay for even just looking at it, those payments definitely give me a smoother user experience.

That said, it does my head in that I need an adapter to use my headphones, Apple's airpods are £lol for a bit of gimmicky tech and the stock headphones are absolutely dogwank. Even when making a call with the iPhone it connects instantly, whereas there's often a delay of up to 10 seconds with the Android. The call quality is better on the iPhone, the speaker is better, it's just a much smoother / less frustrating experience.

I have both phones on me at all times but nowadays 99% of the time when I need to do something, it's the iPhone that comes out of my pocket. My Android is pretty much an MP3 player at this point.
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I think that's a pretty fair assessment. I started with Android phones because I liked the openness of them even though I could easily have afforded an iphone. Nowadays the money I can spend on phones for myself is very small so I don't have an iphone due to cost. But I have bought my wife and my two kids various iphones while I stick to mid range, or used top tier, Androids.

Android is never quite 100%, as you said. I'm used to is and I am absolutely fine using them. In fact I was amazed how difficult it was to get photos off my wifes iphone (needed to install itunes on her imac, but to do that we had to upgrade her OS) while I just drag and drop my photos to any machine nearby. But apart from that the Apple experience is certainly smoother.

But... and this is a big but... I've found recent iphones to be terribly unreliable. I've returned two 7's within 4 months of buying them, had to get apple to fix one of the 8's, repeatedly over the years have had to replace lightning cables and more recently the earbuds from a brand new iphone stopped working after a few months. I think quality control has taken a nose dive. Owning an iphone outside of Apple Care would worry me. But I appreciate that my experience may not be the norm.
 
Apple has it's place, some of their hardware designs are lovely, some such as the watch are a miss for me. The wife loves her apple kit iphone x, the ear buds, watch, tablet, laptop and desktop. Some of it isn't new but meets her needs.

For me Windows and Ubuntu with android phone and watch meets all my needs. I can game on Windows 10, Ubuntu powers my server and now Windows subsystem for linux is mainstream I can blur the lines of a Windows desktop.
 
Not a Apple hater by any means, but I think some of there design and business choices are insidious AF and it puts me off ever buying there products. For instance, the glass backed design of some of the newer iphones being put behind the camera fixture so you HAVE to go to them for a £400 repair. Not on board with that at all.
 
The best thing about apple products is how much hate it generates from people who don't use them. Almost everyone I know who uses apple products just uses them and gets on with whatever they are doing. They don't whinge about Dell, Samsung etc because they don't care. Its just sad to see how much people care about a product they don't like, want or use. Apple products are not perfect and they are expensive but they are good. My iPhone 7+ is still lightning fast after nearly 2 years and works perfectly. I won't be replacing it for another few years because I don't need to.
 
fez said:
The best thing about apple products is how much hate it generates from people who don't use them. Almost everyone I know who uses apple products just uses them and gets on with whatever they are doing. They don't whinge about Dell, Samsung etc because they don't care. Its just sad to see how much people care about a product they don't like, want or use. Apple products are not perfect and they are expensive but they are good. My iPhone 7+ is still lightning fast after nearly 2 years and works perfectly. I won't be replacing it for another few years because I don't need to.
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Or you know horrible business practice puts people off? Theres a significant repairs community that Apple hates with a passion because they can't charge $4000 to fix a single issue in a product.
 
StriderX said:
Or you know horrible business practice puts people off? Theres a significant repairs community that Apple hates with a passion because they can't charge $4000 to fix a single issue in a product.
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Horrible business practices don’t seem to bother Google users too much... or Facebook users.
 
overheating and wifi is a pain on my xps. It seems to make my skyq box cut out.

also, whenever the laptop Bluetooth is on my bose headphones wont pair to my TV lol
 
Hades said:
Fair enough. I've not looked recently at MacOS games on steam so I'm happy to admit I'm wrong on that. I should have checked before commenting.
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I think its more from the time when they had different hardware tbh.


Also I have no idea how many "works on mac" games actually natively run and how many just have some kind of emulator bundled lol
 
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