Stand Your Ground
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You don't know that. The state prosecutor was already going to be reviewing it before the public uproar.
Who knows, the American system is mostly elected, if it's going to lose votes it takes a brave district/state attorney to push these things without a public outcry.
It is, imo, a failing of the US system. In matters of justice it's important that the ultimate arbiters are distant enough from politics that their independence can never be called into question.
It is, imo, a failing of the US system. In matters of justice it's important that the ultimate arbiters are distant enough from politics that their independence can never be called into question.
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These crazy laws have made certain people lose touch with reality and rational thinking. Think about the situation with no guns involved (i.e. how it would go down over here). It would've been over after the shove and some words exchanged; maybe a few punches but someone would've run over and broken the fight up pretty quick before anyone got really hurt. The country's gun laws and acceptance of this kind of violence are out of control. The existence of the law that says this is okay is saying "it is okay to shoot people". So they do. I cannot comprehend how someone can shoot with intent to kill after only being pushed to the ground, and the pusher then retreats. That's not rational.
If you want to kill someone specific because you hate them or maybe they looked at you funny, all you need to do is provoke them enough to push you and you can lawfully gun them down!
Except quite often over here, someone stamps on your head while it's on the kerb and you're dead pretty soon after that. You're thinking about the situation occurring about 20 years ago back when I was in school when it was loudmouthing, fisticuffs, then shaking hands and being mates after. It's not like that anymore.
Caporegime
Common sense prevails. How strange.
Seems a more grown up way of answering the questions this case raises.
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I wonder if there was multiple disabled bays available. If there was, then the guy is just a geek or probably more likely, a racist.
The guy was clearly backing off and he decided to shoot him anyway.
He should consider himself fortunate that he got just manslaughter.
The guy was clearly backing off and he decided to shoot him anyway.
He should consider himself fortunate that he got just manslaughter.
It would have ended with the guy getting a severe beating.
No one comes running to break up a fight
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Dream on . Here are the figures for just London, for just 2018 so far, and we are only just into August, and for JUST knife stabbings, many or most fatal. Doesn't list any shootings or other murders.
January 1 - Steve Frank Navarez-Jara, 20, Islington
January 3 - Elizabeta Lacatusu, 44, Redbridge
January 8 - Daniel Frederick, 34, died in Hackney
January 9 - Dami Odeyingbo, 18, stabbed in Bromley
January 11 - Harry Uzoka, 25, killed in Shepherd's Bush
January 28 - Yaya Mbye, 26, stabbed in Stoke Newington
January 29 - Juan Olmos Saca, 39, stabbed in Peckham
January 31 - Khader Saleh, 25, stabbed at Wormwood Scrubs prison
February 3 - Hassan Ozcan, 19, knifed in Barking
February 3 - Kwabena Nelson, a youth worker, died after being stabbed near his home in Tottenham
February 8 - Hannah Leonard, 55, stabbed in a flat in Camden
February 11 - Sabri Chibani, 19, stabbed in Streatham
February 13 - Saeeda Hussain, 54, was stabbed in Ilford
February 14 - Lord Promise Nkenda, 17, stabbed in Canning Town
February 18 - Lewis Blackman, 19, knifed in Kensington
February 19 - Rotimi Oshibanjo, 26, stabbed in Southall
February 20 - Sadiq Mohammed, 20, stabbed in Camden
February 20 - Abdikarim Hassan, 17, stabbed in Camden
February 25 - Michael Boyle, 44, stabbed in the chest
March 1 - Christopher Beaumont, 42, stabbed in Hammersmith
March 5 - Laura Figueira, 47, stabbed in Twickenham
March 5 - Kelva Smith, 20, knifed in Croydon
March 14 - Lyndon Davis, 18, stabbed in Chadwell Heath
March 16 - Naomi Hersi, 36, found with stab wounds at hotel near Heathrow Airport
March 17 - Russell Jones, 23, stabbed in Enfield
March 18 - Tyrone Silcot, 41, stabbed in Hackney
March 19 - Balbir Johal, 48, knifed in Southall
March 19 - A 41-year-old was stabbed to death in Waltham Forest
March 20 - Beniamin Pieknyi, 21, stabbed at Stratford shopping centre
March 26 - David Potter, 50, stabbed in Tooting
March 29 - Reece Tshoma, 23, stabbed in Plumstead
March 30 - Leyla Mtumwa, 36, found with stab wounds at a home in Haringey
April 1 - A 20-year-old was stabbed in Wandsworth
April 4 - A 38-year-old man was stabbed at a house in Lewisham
April 4 - Israel Ogunsola, 18, was stabbed to death in Hackney on 4 April. Police were alerted by a motorist and performed first aid but the teenager died at the scene
April 5 - Five teenagers and one man were stabbed in London within a space of 24 hours. One of the victims was aged 13 and left fighting for his life
April 9 - A man in his 70s was stabbed four times and robbed as he returned to his Harold Hill home after collecting his pension
April 12 - A woman in her 20s was arrested after stabbing a man in Isle of Dogs on April 12, 2018.
April 15 - A man named locally as Raul Nicolaie was knifed to death just before 6pm in Colindale, North London.
April 15 - Samantha Clarke, 38, was stabbed to death in Brixton, South West London, just after 6.30pm and police arrested a man in his 20s.
April 20 - Aaron Springett, 32, died after he was found collapsed in Morden, South West London, just before 1o.30pm. A 31-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder.
April 21 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death in Finsbury Park, north London, as a leading surgeon warned of a "summer of carnage" in the capital
May 17 - A man, 24, was stabbed to death in Crows Road, Barking at around 11.30pm.
May 20 - A man in his 20s stabbed in Mitcham, South London
May 21 - Marcel Campbell, 20, was stabbed to death just yards from Islington town hall in North London
May 30 - A man, believed to be in his 40s, was stabbed to death in Kensington, West London.
June 1 - A woman was found stabbed to death in Brent, North West London.
June 9 - Edmond Jonuzi, 35, was stabbed to death close to Turnpike Land Tube station in North London in what is believed to be a drugs related attack.
June 23 - Jordan Douherty, 15, becomes the youngest to be stabbed in London this year after being knifed in the heart in Romford, East London.
June 27 - A man, 20, was stabbed to death on an estate in Edmonton, North London.
June 30 - Four people were stabbed at the Garage Nation festival in East London.
July 2 - a 14-year-old boy was repeatedly stabbed on Fairbridge Road, Islington
July 14 - Katerina Makunova, 17, was killed after a stabbing in Camberwell.
July 25 - An 18-year-old man, Latwaan Griffiths, was stabbed to death in Camberwell.
August 1 - Incognito, 23, was stabbed to death in Camberwell
August 1 - Two other men were also stabbed at the scene where Incognito was killed. They were taken to hospital.
August 5 - Man in his 20s fatally stabbed in Cambridge Gardens, Kingston-Upon-Thames.
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At a guess most of those stabbing will be gang related idiots killing each other. Completely unrelated to two men arguing about a parking space. Generally people don’t go around carrying knives when out shopping with their kids.
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Liberal tosh, the black guy assaulting the old geezer was a known and violent drug dealer, like many of the ones in the London killings. If he has no qualms about violently resisting arrest by police officers he'd have no qualms about assaulting an old guy, as we have seen. Violence is a way of life to some.
The bloke will get off anyway, it'll get laughed out of court in Florida. Pushing a man to the ground and complaining about being shot? Good luck with that. The American saying of "don't start nothing, there won't be nothing" comes to mind. In America they have something called personal responsibility, your actions have consequences, think carefully about your choices and you'll do well, assault people and deal drugs and you'll end up dead or in prison.
Guns make killing people easy. It's a simple trigger to pull. To murder someone with a knife is an extremely violent and intimate act. The list of people murdered in the UK's most awful place doesn't prove that a scuffle would end in a knife murder.
Soldato
You seem to have quoted me but replied to someone else.
You can stab anyone with loads of stuff, pens, screwdrivers, pencils I would go as far to a say even a wax crayon.
Achilles heel with people is the neck or throat, takes most people out.
A punch in the face is nothing compared to a jab in the throat. Next time you in conflict hit them in the throat and you will win fast.
Achilles heel with people is the neck or throat, takes most people out.
A punch in the face is nothing compared to a jab in the throat. Next time you in conflict hit them in the throat and you will win fast.
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The one and only reason they charged him with manslaughter instead of murder
is because it has a lower bench mark in court for prosecutors to prove.
A very weak case.
is because it has a lower bench mark in court for prosecutors to prove.
A very weak case.
Soldato
I don't know why they had to use the disabled spot when there were so many other ones free.
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