but you would shoot him anyway, is what you're saying. you'd just take a moment to appreciate it?Personally, I think I would spend an extra second or two before I shoot him in the chest, but that's just me.
Stand Your Ground
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Caporegime
So you are happy to believe that the guy who shot an unarmed man was scared and just defending himself but you don't believe the testimony of the partner of the deceased?
No, you should be trained, able and willing to use it within reason. You seem perfectly happy that the guy pulling a gun feared for his safety after being pushed, yes pushed but not that a guy might have felt like his family needed protecting. If that scene had played out in the UK the guy on the floor would have called the police and been done with it. No one would get hurt 99 times out of 100. All of this is ignoring the fact that he had a loaded gun pointed at a guy who was clearly no threat and was backing off. I assume its cool to shoot people if you feel threatened in any way even if they pose 0 threat to you and you have complete control over a situation. You should probably go to america and apply to some of their police departments.
Well given the other guys history that probbaly would have ended with him getting a kicking and his phone smashed while he tried to call the cops.
I dont think the coke dealing criminal would have calmly stood there waiting while he called the cops do you?
Caporegime
I’m not sure using the dead guys background, which as far as I’ve seen wasn’t known to the shooter, as justification for his actions is legitimate.
“Your honour I know it was a bit murdery and all that, but turns out he wasn’t a nice man, so innocent then?”
Ok purely on the video content.
I doubt somoen who violently attacks somone before even saying a word will calmly wait while they fail the police and will instead prevent the victim from doing that to avoid the police from comming.
Bailey by destroying thier phone and giving them a kicking.
Happy?
The other guys defence is "well your honour I feared for my life having just been violently attacked so it got a bit perfectly legally killingly"
Caporegime
Yawn, endless assumptions. You can’t kill someone because you assume that they were going to progress to beating you when you have them at gun point backing away from you.
Or maybe you can in Florida, we shall see.
Well, yea, you can, thats the whole point of the stand your ground law.
Guy initiates a violent physical altercation in a state with stand your ground and conceal carry. Yea, we aren't any worse off with people who cant think that far ahead no longer being around.
You know how most rational people would have approached the situation? By walking upto the old dude and saying "hey, whats the issue". Not with a shove that sends him flying to the floor.
Caporegime
Nice selective quoting there. Just shave off the end bit which is the entire crux of the issue.
Because the end bit isnt actually relevant in this particular case.
Caporegime
Pushing someone over isn't violently attacking them. He pushed him and the guy ends up on the floor. If I was going to attack someone and try and really hurt them I wouldn't push them over and leave them there. The guy was ****** off at someone shouting at his family and pushed them over. Wouldn't it be great in the UK if every time someone pushes someone else they get shot dead.
Put it another way. If a police officer in the US has a gun pointed at a suspect and the suspect is moving away slowly and has their hands down, what should happen if they just start shooting the guy they have their gun pointed at.
Soldato
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The attacker thought might made right, but was mistaken on who had the might.
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The only people who should feel any guilt about this are those that allowed the dead guy to still be wandering around and not doing some hard labour for all his past criminal activity. If he'd been behind bars or working a chain gang this situation would not have occurred, like so many others where a known multi offence wrong `un is free to do more harm despite a record making it obvious he'll always be trouble in society. But I guess burying him and a short trial will cost the US tax payer less than banging him up for years, so some possible bonus.
Shoving someone to the floor is inherently violent, he instigated it ergo it was an "attack"... ergo he violently attacked them.
You don't know that he was shouting at her, they were arguing, sure, but he was stood back from the car and not posing an immediate threat - he could have spoken to the guy or just told him to step away from his girlfriend etc.. instead he resorted to violence immediately
Caporegime
Man, I'm out. If people genuinely think its OK to shoot a guy who has pushed you over and who you have a gun pointed at I don't know what to say.
Soldato
Was the guy who got shot black ?
This
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He was, and with a long history of serious and violent criminality:
Multiple arrests including "AGGRAVATED BATTERY DOMESTIC", "RESISTING ARREST W/VIOLENCE", "POSSESSION OF COCAINE", "SALE OR DELIVERY OF COCAINE".
6 foot in the dirt seems a reasonable place for him to be. Sometimes one push is all it takes.
Soldato
Well that argument could be applied to anything though couldn't it? The Kennedy assassination could have been avoided if he'd just been incarcerated at birth.
I suppose the question here is, do you think a proportional response to being shoved is to open fire on the person who shoved you? If the answer is yes, then what are you so scared of?