Stand Your Ground
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Do you think the guy would have pushed him over if he knew he had a gun?
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That's the answer I was after, and here in lies the problem. "Everybody should be allowed to carry a gun to protect themselves from the criminal element. Oh ****, now everybody is so nervous about the entire Country carrying guns that they've got needlessly trigger happy and are shooting people just because they pushed them over".
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I find this a really odd argument, the shooter didn’t know the man that pushed him as far as I’ve seen in the press. So he’s just killing a stranger.
However because he’s an admittedly not very nice chap that somehow makes his killing ok.
It speaks to his character.
We can probbaly assume that a man witha violent criminal history may be more threatening in word and action than a normal person.
Either he wouldn't have pushed him over or he would have beat the crap out of the guy to make sure that he didn't pull and use his gun. I doubt it crossed his mind that he might get shot after pushing someone over. This is the problem with giving the general population a gun. Suddenly people get shot over a ridiculous altercation that would almost never end in anything serious in another country that doesn't allow people to carry a gun.
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Yes, to paraphrase a user name in here, it was a fortuitous fluke
If I were in Florida or Texas I definitely would NOT confront someone by immediately pushing them over, it's called a matter of survival. I am somewhat shocked at your definition of "not a very nice chap"..... Having been done for violently resisting arrest I suspect human nature will make the authorities look somewhat sympathetically on the old chap who shot him, too. Bit like the old man in the UK who killed the burglar?
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Exactly this, you have no idea if someone is a CCW holder or not, so rather than violently assaulting someone, you use that moving hole in your face to... talk.. like a normal sane person.
Why do you say 'sadly'
From the quote you were responding to.
If I'm a cop in America and I have drawn my firearm on you, perhaps because I believe you to be armed and your ignoring instructions walking away with you hands down.....
Do I let this continue until you can reach cover, potentially draw a firearm and shoot ay me from cover whilst I may be exposed or do I shoot?
People get themselves to concerned by this whole 'unarmed' issue.
A more stark example then the last one but if I am a cop and I have drawn my firearm on you and you continue to approach me despite clear instructions to the contrary I am very likely to shoot you whether I beleive you to be armed or not as I don't want to end up in a struggle over my firearm.
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I'd have to agree with this.
He ultimately decided that he would put his hands on someone else, unfortunately for him, it was the wrong decision.
Heh its funny "hands down" here is seen as non combative (boxing stance yo) but over there hands down near the waist is a huge risk as they could be about to draw a gun.
Remeber even SWAT officers have shot 100% innocent people because they thought they were going for a gun in thier pants
Remeber even SWAT officers have shot 100% innocent people because they thought they were going for a gun in thier pants
Might just have something to do with the prevalence of firearms?
Despite the disproven 'hands up don't shoot lies spread by BLM re Michael Brown' you are (relatively safe) in both the UK and USA if you keep you hands on show firmly above your head whilst not making any other sudden movements when it comes to armed police interactions.
Well apart from then you get shot for not following the confusing and constantly changing instructions given by some US police, or get shot for following them...
It was only a couple of years ago a guy got shot whilst lying on the ground with his arms and legs outstretched and trying to calm down one of his patients by talking to him...
There have recently been a few terrible incidents as you describe, but I don't think that this stand your ground case falls into that category.
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Seems not just GD have been putting their interference in
"A Florida sheriff on Monday responded to sharp criticism from the Rev. Al Sharpton for not arresting a white man who shot and killed an unarmed black man during a parking lot dispute last month.
Sharpton criticized Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri at a Sunday rally for Markeis McGlockton.
McGlockton was shot on July 19 by Michael Drejka in Clearwater, according to FOX13 Tampa Bay. Drekja told deputies he feared for his life and police at the time chose not to arrest him, citing the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law.
“This case should not be tried in a parking lot of a convenience store,” Sharpton said. “It should be tried in a courtroom.”
Gualtieri was asked about Sharpton’s comments Monday during a press conference for an unrelated investigation.
“It's a bunch of rhetoric. I don't pay much attention to it, to tell you the truth. I wasn't there, and I don't really care what Al Sharpton has to say,” Gualtieri said. “Go back to New York. Mind your own business.”
In a statement to the Tampa Bay Times, a spokeswoman for Sharpton compared the sheriff’s comments to “those of sheriffs out of the 1960s that used to call civil rights leaders invited in by victims, “outside agitators.’”
Sharpton plans to keep coming back to Clearwater regardless of Gualtieri’s remarks.
Florida prosecutors said last week they will review the case. The Pinellas County State Attorney said there was no time frame for how long it will take to review the case and determine whether charges should be filed against Drejka."
I wonder if the good Mr. Drejka is still patrolling the disabled parking bays? And if so is anyone challenging him over their rights?
Source is http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/0...-back-to-new-york-mind-your-own-business.html
"A Florida sheriff on Monday responded to sharp criticism from the Rev. Al Sharpton for not arresting a white man who shot and killed an unarmed black man during a parking lot dispute last month.
Sharpton criticized Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri at a Sunday rally for Markeis McGlockton.
McGlockton was shot on July 19 by Michael Drejka in Clearwater, according to FOX13 Tampa Bay. Drekja told deputies he feared for his life and police at the time chose not to arrest him, citing the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law.
“This case should not be tried in a parking lot of a convenience store,” Sharpton said. “It should be tried in a courtroom.”
Gualtieri was asked about Sharpton’s comments Monday during a press conference for an unrelated investigation.
“It's a bunch of rhetoric. I don't pay much attention to it, to tell you the truth. I wasn't there, and I don't really care what Al Sharpton has to say,” Gualtieri said. “Go back to New York. Mind your own business.”
In a statement to the Tampa Bay Times, a spokeswoman for Sharpton compared the sheriff’s comments to “those of sheriffs out of the 1960s that used to call civil rights leaders invited in by victims, “outside agitators.’”
Sharpton plans to keep coming back to Clearwater regardless of Gualtieri’s remarks.
Florida prosecutors said last week they will review the case. The Pinellas County State Attorney said there was no time frame for how long it will take to review the case and determine whether charges should be filed against Drejka."
I wonder if the good Mr. Drejka is still patrolling the disabled parking bays? And if so is anyone challenging him over their rights?
Source is http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/0...-back-to-new-york-mind-your-own-business.html
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45174654
So, they decided to arrest him and charge him with manslaughter in the end.
So, they decided to arrest him and charge him with manslaughter in the end.
