Added to the stats? Or do you mean investigated?
A death threat of sorts. What would GD do?
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Added to the stats? Or do you mean investigated?
Please stop.
Because it was an absolute ******* nightmare.
I was arrested then we both got taken to Hospital, I had a huge cut over my eye and needed stitches, and he's lost two of his front teeth and had other injuries - after that I was thrown into a cell on a busy Friday night, they didn't have enough officers to interview me that night, so I'd been stuck in a cell for around 21 hours before they got around to interviewing me, I was only 24 years old, first offence, no idea what was going to happen, terrified. The lawyer came in and explained that the best thing for me to do, is just to admit having a punch up - if I do that, the other guy will do the same - I'll just get a caution and be allowed to go home, the caution will disappear after five years, and it's all over. IF I claim self defence, then the police MUST charge me, because they can't decide whether it truly is self defence or not, then the whole thing goes to court - everything has to be dragged out with all the risks it entails. All of that then potentially appears in the paper, there's a lot more exposure - I potentially have to tell my employer, a lot more can go wrong.
In the state I was in, given the two choices - it's all over now, done, OR I have to go back to court, risk a conviction with god knows who coming out as a witness (I only had 1 person, he had about 6-7) it just wasn't worth it. There was also the aggravating factor that the loss of his two front teeth was due to me head butting him, which I learnt was actually classed as assault with a weapon (or something, I can't quite remember the exact classification, but it wasn't good), so I potentially had other problems that might go against me in a court.
I do regret it in some sense, because I didn't start the whole thing and it was legit self defence - but at the time, I really had no idea about criminal records, the PNC or how these things affect you later in life, given the same situation again being a bit older and more experienced, I'd certainly have gone to court over it, rather than accept the caution.
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Pretty close. It was by the foot place with a silly name. Shuropedy, something like that. Hope Street is a couple of hundred metres away.
Police station was closed. May as well post about it in GD as it was mildly interesting.
I doubt it. I had several metres distance, they weren't able to move quietly and I was aware enough of their location. If they attacked my orientation wouldn't have been a big factor. But they were laughable. I've been threatened by people who were a credible threat and the difference is more obvious than a bright orange T-Rex running around squawking.
Perhaps, but I think that acting in such a dismissive manner was useful in the circumstances. They were expecting and requiring their target to be cowed. Me dismissing them as utterly irrelevant was not in their plan, such as it was. My other viable option was attacking them and I didn't care enough to do so. Also, I think the risks of doing that were higher because it would have then been inevitable that either or both of us would have been seriously injured or killed.
I don't carry a mobile phone, so that wasn't an option. Also, odd though it sounds, it didn't seem important let alone an emergency. He was doing a very bad job of pretending to be dangerous. I've seen better acting in a children's nativity play.
That would have been mildly amusing, since they cost about £16 new and are probably worth about 50p stolen. I keep my decent stuff at home for just that reason. £8 headphones are fine for an audiobook, as is an £8 media player. I did have a couple of the grabby types try that (in Hanley again, no surprises there), but I noticed them trying (very incompetently) to sneak up close enough and made them aware I knew. When they gave the excuse that they were just trying to see the brand of the headphones, I cheerfully (and truthfully) told them I had no idea because I bought them in Tesco for £8.
For that particular person, I would still have refused. He was a trivial waste of space. I'd have felt more threatened by a noisy pigeon. He's also obviously incompetent at every aspect of robbery including selecting a victim. If he carries on, sooner or later he's going to try it on someone who'll hurt him badly. What a shame that would be.
In general, I'll decide on the fly depending on my mood and my assessment of the risk. I've handed over money before. Sometimes it's the least bad option.
No need for that - it wasn't my usual route anyway.
I wouldn't class Hanley as a rough area. Not rough enough to require that degree of care, anyway. I've been in plenty of worse places. Places where I would take care. Places where I wouldn't go nowadays. I was immortal when I was 20. Well, actually I was just reckless. You know how it is.
I think it's a bit debateable in places that aren't rough. Not being bothered reduces the risk of being targetted. Jackals are after easy meat.
Could have been, although asking for the time seems to be the usual method for that. It's a simpler and more deniable approach.
My walking around headphones are extremely cheap. My home headphones are moderately expensive. My next set will probably be quite expensive. You can pay pretty much anything for headphones. I'm not oblivious to my surroundings when I have them on - I saw and felt this person approaching from at least 10m away. Why did they select me? Who knows? They're incompetent at it, so the reason isn't clear. Maybe because I was walking slowly. Long days at work, I was tired and my knee was bothering me more than usual. Maybe just random. Maybe because I look very unthreatening. Maybe because I looked at them to assess them and they mistook that for nervousness.
"shiv" is a knife and also stabbing someone with a knife. It's both a noun and a verb...and few people who use the word know what "noun" or "verb" means.
Person A threatens to kill Person B, claiming to have a knife.
Person B knocks person A out.
I'd judge that reasonable force. I suspect that most people on a jury would. Not guilty, off you go. I doubt if it would even get to court. The UK has strong defence laws. Also, a threat to kill you does constitute a threat to your life. Not that a threat to your life is the standard needed for reasonable force.
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I mean the former. It may or may not get investigated.
Anyway, clearly the stats are the most important thing as that's what HMICFRS care about.
WTF does that mean? Can you repeat it in English please?
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I believe he means "having relations".
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Today is my annual trip up to Hanley, as I have my car booked in for some new tyres.
The place is a complete dive with plenty of drug addicts having a fight at midday in the high street There is a reason the house prices start at 50k.
Couldn't disagree more. Stoke on trent is the arse crack of the UK, with Hanley being the ring piece itself.
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I understood it was the other way around - Shiv, chiv or chib (as in the Scottish chibs) being the British version and shank being the Yank one.
Oh no, those are crap. Utterly awful, flimsy crap. You only need wear a leather jacket and the blade will bend on it. You're better off not bothering to draw them and just smacking them hard with the cane!
Again, keyboards are far too flimsy and delicate to make decent weapons... and modern gaming ones are just insanely expensive. Besides, the RGB makes it blingingly obvious you're carrying... and yes, I mean blingingly!
Person A and B talk in the street. Person B suddenly lays person A out.
Person B claims to have been threatened, person A claims they did no such thing and that person B threatened them.
The only evidence of anything is person B attacking person A.
Otherwise every public brawl would be innocent because the person who started it said the other said something mean.
Of course there's a possibility of a conviction a rock solid chance you all get done for affray.
You were having a fight, that is proveavle and it is a crime.
Tbh it's seen better times and there are worse places local to it. Saying this you probably need to exercise a certain amount of caution in the evening but no more than you would for anywhere else.
I had an incident near the bus station where a local lowlife snatched a bus ticket out of my hand. He soon backed down when he realised the consequences of his action. You just need to be aware, that's all and of course report it.
Unless it's changed in the past 3 years, shank was the preferred terminology used in the Inner London prisons by the criminal fraternity.
I mean the former. It may or may not get investigated.
Anyway, clearly the stats are the most important thing as that's what HMICFRS care about.
I have the upmost respect for the police, but this is disappointing to read that you are saying it is worth reporting to record as a stat as oppose to actually catching these scum
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Only if it changed to shank from Shiv/Chiv in the days after my dad was in prison...
Also of interest:
"It stuck there like a dart in a dartboard. I pulled the glass out of my face with one hand and my chiv out of my pocket with the other. Then I got to work doing a bit of hacking and carving. I don't know how many blokes I cut that night. I didn't care ... "
"I was always careful to draw my knife down on the face, never across or upwards. Always down. So that if the knife slips you don't cut an artery. After all, chivving is chivving, but cutting an artery is usually murder. Only mugs do murder."
Billy Hill, 1920s-60s London Gangster and criminal mentor to the Krays.
Quotes from - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/jul/30/biography.billyhill
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You sure you didn't mis-hear?
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In 2007 I worked in the education block at Werrington Juvenile Prison and shank was the word always used.
11 years on I have no idea.