The RTX 2080 pre-order thread

Gibbo · 23 Aug 2018 at 11:30

Smffy said:
@Gibbo Can we get a bit of a stock update/round up on when to expect things? Wondering whats sold over stock expectations, what hasnt and when to expect the slow ones like EVGA?

Cheers bud!

Well no brand can ship out until 20th September, that is rule set by NVIDIA. Of course stock may land earlier!

Our largest volume as mentioned in another thread is on brands like Asus, Gigabyte, Palit, Inno3D and Zotac. Other brands will be smaller numbers!

Smffy · 23 Aug 2018 at 11:34

Gibbo said:
Well no brand can ship out until 20th September, that is rule set by NVIDIA. Of course stock may land earlier!

Our largest volume as mentioned in another thread is on brands like Asus, Gigabyte, Palit, Inno3D and Zotac. Other brands will be smaller numbers!

Thanks - any comment on volume of preorders for those vs expected stock? I’m struggling to get a quote for an order which includes two Ti’s as you guys keep changing the prices and can’t give me it until stock arrives... Would like to know what to pull the trigger on like those now reduced Asus reference blower cards (removing cooler anyway).

jjgreenwood · 23 Aug 2018 at 11:36

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-nvidia-reveals-rtx-2080-benchmarks

Gripen90 · 23 Aug 2018 at 11:49

LePhuronn said:
True, but the baseline has been set now. Everything is 60fps+ this, 144Hz refresh that, G-/Free/Adaptive Sync the other, VR at 90fps on top, so then when a brand new graphics card with fancy new technology is released that is seemingly unable to even reach that baseline, yet command over a thousand pounds for the privilege, then it's a very bad show indeed.

Technology is not supposed to regress.

It's brand new technology put into mainstream, that's hardly any regression. You have a new technology that demands a lot of horsepower to be able to achive the speeds of current cards, and current cards wouldn't even be able to handle the task. That is still progress. The other aspect is attitude towards expectations.

The baseline was set yes - but that was with the technology that was available at the time.
Now we got a new baseline with the technology that is at hand now to improve visual realism in any aspect, not just metric performance.

Shocky-FM · 23 Aug 2018 at 12:08

melmac said:
Surely if you ignored the hype, you would have passed on pre-ordering a card that has no reviews but an exorbitant price?

The get three types in these threads, those who want to brag who bring nothing to the discussion, those who actually want to discuss the product and trolls, because there are always trolls.

It's always been that way, but as the price increases it's tipping more the other way now

LePhuronn · 23 Aug 2018 at 12:20

Gripen90 said:
It's brand new technology put into mainstream, that's hardly any regression. You have a new technology that demands a lot of horsepower to be able to achive the speeds of current cards, and current cards wouldn't even be able to handle the task. That is still progress. The other aspect is attitude towards expectations.

The baseline was set yes - but that was with the technology that was available at the time.
Now we got a new baseline with the technology that is at hand now to improve visual realism in any aspect, not just metric performance.

Rubbish. A GTX 1080 Ti when used as intended can smash out 100+ FPS at 1080p. A RTX 2080 Ti when used as intended can barely hit 60fps at 1080p. That is regression. Saying that this new fangled technology forces a new baseline downwards is regression.

The dedicated RT processors are an astounding leap forward in technology. The AI antialiasing is an astounding leap forward in technology. But the real-world implication that utilising these technologies forces a monumental drop in frame rates and playable resolutions is regression. And we're expected to pay 4 figures for it.

Acesbomb · 23 Aug 2018 at 12:26

Interested to see the volume of pre orders OCUK have been seeing since the last day? Huge demand or just high.

Gripen90 · 23 Aug 2018 at 12:38

LePhuronn said:
Rubbish. A GTX 1080 Ti when used as intended can smash out 100+ FPS at 1080p. A RTX 2080 Ti when used as intended can barely hit 60fps at 1080p. That is regression. Saying that this new fangled technology forces a new baseline downwards is regression.

The dedicated RT processors are an astounding leap forward in technology. The AI antialiasing is an astounding leap forward in technology. But the real-world implication that utilising these technologies forces a monumental drop in frame rates and playable resolutions is regression. And we're expected to pay 4 figures for it.

Rubbish. The same happened when we went from 16bit to 32bit. People took the penalty with 32bit for more correct colours.

dangel · 23 Aug 2018 at 12:51

Gripen90 said:
Rubbish. The same happened when we went from 16bit to 32bit. People took the penalty with 32bit for more correct colours.

I agree, this is a weird argument - that regression is anything that reduces frame rate although it improves visual quality/effects.

XeNoNF50 · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:00

jjgreenwood said:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-nvidia-reveals-rtx-2080-benchmarks

Encouraging comments on the image quality of using DLSS

DarrenM343 · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:05

LePhuronn said:
Rubbish. A GTX 1080 Ti when used as intended can smash out 100+ FPS at 1080p. A RTX 2080 Ti when used as intended can barely hit 60fps at 1080p. That is regression. Saying that this new fangled technology forces a new baseline downwards is regression.

The dedicated RT processors are an astounding leap forward in technology. The AI antialiasing is an astounding leap forward in technology. But the real-world implication that utilising these technologies forces a monumental drop in frame rates and playable resolutions is regression. And we're expected to pay 4 figures for it.

It's not regression when the previous gen cards cannot even do what the new cards can. At some point the new tech needs to be implemented and introduced to the market and developers. Nobody doubts however that next gen will implement it even better. These cards are first gen of introducing new tech, it's a different approach moving forward. It probably will impact performance - everything has a cost, but will games be playable at the resolution most play at? Probably. ANother feature might improve performance.
Do we want improved visuals in the future or just better FPS each gen? NV IMO is taking a good step forward, an exciting step IMO. If NVLink works then people just need to buy 2+ to get decent FPS at say 4K

It's not just about FPS but making steps towards even better gaming experience in the future. NV feels the time is now to introduce this new tech
Would be nice if this thread was kept on topic and other discussion kept to the other 20 series related threads

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AORUS · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:21

Gripen90 said:
Rubbish. The same happened when we went from 16bit to 32bit. People took the penalty with 32bit for more correct colours.

The same happened when we went from 32bit to 64bit. for more colours and more ram

ubersonic · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:41

Gripen90 said:
LePhuronn said:

Rubbish. A GTX 1080 Ti when used as intended can smash out 100+ FPS at 1080p. A RTX 2080 Ti when used as intended can barely hit 60fps at 1080p. That is regression. Saying that this new fangled technology forces a new baseline downwards is regression.

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Rubbish. The same happened when we went from 16bit to 32bit. People took the penalty with 32bit for more correct colours.

Actually during the transition a LOT of people stuck with 16bit to keep FPS high, it wasn't until later cards could handle 32bit colour with decent FPS that it became the only option people would go for. In fact at the time a lot of gamers with high refresh displays shunned running games in 32bit colour as they claimed the fps loss wasn't worth the extra colour depth.

AORUS · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:43

Gripen90 said:
It's brand new technology put into mainstream, that's hardly any regression. You have a new technology that demands a lot of horsepower to be able to achive the speeds of current cards, and current cards wouldn't even be able to handle the task. That is still progress. The other aspect is attitude towards expectations.

The baseline was set yes - but that was with the technology that was available at the time.
Now we got a new baseline with the technology that is at hand now to improve visual realism in any aspect, not just metric performance.

In fact
Ray-tracing is not new. Far from it. Computers have been able to do it since the 1980s. What’s important is that the new RTX cards can ray-trace a scene in Realtime also the performance boost for current games is expected to be relatively small at this time and this is a first-generation of GPU second generation might be available by the time ray-tracing added to your favourite games.

And a RTX 2080 TI 60hz at 1080p and 60Hz for 4k not 144hz at 4K that most was hoping for.

ronski · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:50

Ordered 2080Ti FE x 2 and NVlink - have been planning a new build some time. Delivery date estimated 20th October for the cards.

james.miller · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:02

DarrenM343 said:
It's not regression when the previous gen cards cannot even do what the new cards can.

If you can't agree that it's a regression, at least agree that it's moving the goalposts...and that isnt good for anybody.

Brun · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:07

Brun said:
Well I've caved in and bought a 1080Ti.

Expect the new cards to be available in just over 90 days time, right after my EVGA step up expires.

This is gonna totally come true, isn't it? Sept 19th.

I'm still very much on the fence hoping to see independent benchmarks and hopefully reviews before then, but will be understandably ****** if I miss out by a day or two. Have tweeted @TEAMEVGAUK but no response, do they have a rep here who I could pester?

orbitalwalsh · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:11

2080 windforce has gone up from £715 to £780 and only £10 difference with Gaming model... must be a lot of pre-orders going for this card, suspect then next cheapest model will be heavily ordered and will increase in price.

as i mentioned before launch, if your going to pre-order- do it sooner rather then later . guess those that bought pascal at launch can recall demand and pricing going up

XeNoNF50 · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:43

orbitalwalsh said:
2080 windforce has gone up from £715 to £780 and only £10 difference with Gaming model... must be a lot of pre-orders going for this card, suspect then next cheapest model will be heavily ordered and will increase in price.

as i mentioned before launch, if your going to pre-order- do it sooner rather then later . guess those that bought pascal at launch can recall demand and pricing going up

Same with the 2080ti, windforce model now £1100 up from £1050.

orbitalwalsh · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:47

XeNoNF50 said:
Same with the 2080ti, windforce model now £1100 up from £1050.

Shows enough people are buying them