Radical Feminist and SJW's incessant cultural Marxism could create havoc on internet infastructure.

humbug · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:13

What if the next Bond was to be a woman but a transgender man to woman applies for the role, should that person be denied that role and if so on what basis? genuine question.

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:17

Genuine question about a completely hypothetical situation that won't ever happen you mean?

humbug · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:18

VincentHanna said:
Genuine question about a completely hypothetical situation that won't ever happen you mean?

Its a philosophical question for crying out loud. And it could happen.

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:20

Well that "transgender man to woman" would be a woman, so no they shouldn't be denied the role.

Ayahuasca · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:20

StriderX said:
Yes it is, if a 100 year old wants to play Peter Pan, they can. It's up to people to watch it however.

What planet are you living on? Why would film studios, producers and directors take the chance on casting leads that are entirely out of the original character? Decisions have to be made before you take the risk of wasting millions of dollars. It all boils down to money in the end in Hollywood. Perhaps Peter Pan was just a bad example as that character is pretty much set in stone, whereas Bond isn't.

humbug · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:22

VincentHanna said:
Well that "transgender man to woman" would be a woman, so no they shouldn't be denied the role.

Good, so, is there anything wrong with the same person using Public Female Toilets, Communal Swimming Bath Changing Rooms?

VincentHanna · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:23

Randomface74 · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:26

VincentHanna said:
Well that "transgender man to woman" would be a woman

erm, no.

humbug · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:33

VincentHanna said:
No.

This a debate that is going on in society, IMO if you agree that she is indeed a woman then she is a woman, you cannot tell her she is a woman if she wants to play James Bond, but not if she want's to go for a pee, that is discrimination.

Personally i don't think gender should be a deciding factor at all even in playing Bond, Bond is fictional and can easily be written as a woman, however you either treat someone who identifies as a woman as a woman or you don't, you cannot pick and chose to suit your ideals.

dowie · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:35

He's saying "no" in response to "is there anything wrong with..."

humbug · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:37

dowie said:
He's saying "no" in response to "is there anything wrong with..."

Well then that's fair enough, ask a woman born a woman and she will tell you she disagrees, who is right, who is wrong?

Randomface74 · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:39

the truth is right

a man cannot become a woman
a woman cannot become a man

james bond is a fictional character who is a straight white man

humbug · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:50

billysielu said:
the truth is right

a man cannot become a woman
a woman cannot become a man

james bond is a fictional character who is a straight white man

That one view, its one or the other, it can't be both and someone is not going to like the answer when it is eventually decided.
Its certainly not bigoted to have the debate and a view on it.

inogen · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:54

humbug said:
Its true, with a classic liberal idea of real equality you can't have Oppression Olympics and if you don't have Oppression Olympics then you don't get to petition yourself in an oppression hierarchy. its born out of narcissism.

No, it's because one concept is do with an ideal, whilst another is rooted in pragmatism.

It's like believing in a pacifist ideal, whilst being at peace with maybe having to beat the crap out of someone who threatens your life.

dowie · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:55

Easy solution is to just have unisex toilets and changing rooms... since there are several dozen genders these days anyway...

I mean why do we need separate changing rooms anyway? The answer probably relies on pretend gay people don't exist. Just get rid and go unisex and you solve the problem.

humbug · 1 Oct 2018 at 14:57

But think of the children ^^^^

inogen said:
No, it's because one concept is do with an ideal, whilst another is rooted in pragmatism.

Oh i agree with that but i still think SJW's play this game for their own gain, be it at the expense of others.

humbug said:
That one view, its one or the other, it can't be both and someone is not going to like the answer when it is eventually decided.
Its certainly not bigoted to have the debate and a view on it.

I should add, the reason for my bringing up this conundrum; this is where Radical Feminists and SJW's clash, the former do not want 'Ex-Men' in their space, the latter do. its where they will eat eachother.

robgmun · 1 Oct 2018 at 17:02

Ayahuasca said:
What planet are you living on? Why would film studios, producers and directors take the chance on casting leads that are entirely out of the original character? Decisions have to be made before you take the risk of wasting millions of dollars. It all boils down to money in the end in Hollywood. Perhaps Peter Pan was just a bad example as that character is pretty much set in stone, whereas Bond isn't.

See my post about The Little Mermaid, Hollywood doesn't give a **** and are willing to have a string of failures losing millions to push idenity politics as their agenda

FoxEye · 1 Oct 2018 at 17:18

dowie said:
Easy solution is to just have unisex toilets and changing rooms... since there are several dozen genders these days anyway...

I mean why do we need separate changing rooms anyway? The answer probably relies on pretend gay people don't exist. Just get rid and go unisex and you solve the problem.

We're almost as prudish as the US when it comes to nudity, so I can't see that happening

StriderX · 1 Oct 2018 at 17:31

Ayahuasca said:
What planet are you living on? Why would film studios, producers and directors take the chance on casting leads that are entirely out of the original character? Decisions have to be made before you take the risk of wasting millions of dollars. It all boils down to money in the end in Hollywood. Perhaps Peter Pan was just a bad example as that character is pretty much set in stone, whereas Bond isn't.

Did you even read what i said?

It's ultimately up to the consumer to decide if they want to consume such things, frankly as long as stories don't change, everything else is malleable.

FoxEye · 1 Oct 2018 at 17:35

Ayahuasca said:
Perhaps Peter Pan was just a bad example as that character is pretty much set in stone, whereas Bond isn't.

Why? Because you say so?