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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

things change over years. Gigabyte was really good at AMD motherboards during Phenom II times. I don't like their recent lineups: weak VRMs, too much plastic, lots of people reporting problems.
MSI on the other hand is producing some really good Ryzen motherboards, with solid quality, good RAM support, and Flashback+ across the entire B450 and X470 lineup which by itself is remarkable.
Being able to flash the bios without cpu and ram or even a valid bios is just a blessing.
 
Robert said:
Really? I’d read msi were dodgy atm?
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Had a MSI B350M Gaming with a Ryzen 1700 for over a year. Slow post times at first, but got a lot better with a few updates. Not many fancy things on this board but works just fine. Hynix RAM works fine at 3000Mhz.
Just got now an MSI B450-A Pro with 2700. Fast post out of the box with 3000Mhz Micron memory, again solid board overall. At a great price (cutting out many of the RGB features certainly helped)

A friend got an Asrock B350 Pro with a 1600. Good board, but issues with RAM overclocking as it would occasionally fail cold boot despite being fully stable once it is booted up. Hynix RAM.
Another friend has an Asus Crosshai VII with a 2700. Extremely long boot times (more than 35s just to POST), and XMP profiles not working at all. He hasn't tried manual RAM settings yet. Micron RAM.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Is it better than their gaming 7 version?
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it was around the time of the Ryzen 2000 launch last year. He didn't cover that one but I assume the M7 will be same standard of board with a couple more bells and whistles. Buildzoid was impressed with the VRMs on the pro carbon but wasn't too complimentary on MSI's BIOS but to be fair I'm not bothered about that as I will probably be getting a 2700x and won't bother overclocking.
 
Wommers said:
it was around the time of the Ryzen 2000 launch last year. He didn't cover that one but I assume the M7 will be same standard of board with a couple more bells and whistles. Buildzoid was impressed with the VRMs on the pro carbon but wasn't too complimentary on MSI's BIOS but to be fair I'm not bothered about that as I will probably be getting a 2700x and won't bother overclocking.
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Yeah in all honesty i have the CH6 and the BIOS has been great, but i read that the Asrock Bios is a mess and buggy, MSI i generally dont touch as i find their products inferior, and i used to be a mainly Gigabyte buyer but their quality has gone down hill while their products have gone up in price.

Normally i will stick to Asrock high end stuff but as i say their BIOS is a mess, so i went Asus, i will probably stay with Asus ROG stuff now, its pricier than other manufacturers but the overall quality is good and the BIOS support from Elmar is it? is second to none.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Yeah in all honesty i have the CH6 and the BIOS has been great, but i read that the Asrock Bios is a mess and buggy, MSI i generally dont touch as i find their products inferior, and i used to be a mainly Gigabyte buyer but their quality has gone down hill while their products have gone up in price.

Normally i will stick to Asrock high end stuff but as i say their BIOS is a mess, so i went Asus, i will probably stay with Asus ROG stuff now, its pricier than other manufacturers but the overall quality is good and the BIOS support from Elmar is it? is second to none.
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Yeah I have been looking at the crosshair boards as the BIOS looks a doddle in comparison to MSI's stuff (even my ancient P55 board I am running on was a nightmare to overclock with) I was just put off by the price which at around £250 is about £90 more expensive than the MSI board I mentioned. However every review I have read on the Asus boards say they are second to none for support and the VRMs look like they will be more than adequate to drive the matisse chips when they release, so I just may have changed my mind lol.
 
Wommers said:
Yeah I have been looking at the crosshair boards as the BIOS looks a doddle in comparison to MSI's stuff (even my ancient P55 board I am running on was a nightmare to overclock with) I was just put off by the price which at around £250 is about £90 more expensive than the MSI board I mentioned. However every review I have read on the Asus boards say they are second to none for support and the VRMs look like they will be more than adequate to drive the matisse chips when they release, so I just may have changed my mind lol.
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Yeah a lot of people have said if i want to upgrade to keep the CH6 rather than splurge on the CH7, although i would probably still buy the CH7 :) and deffo if i was building new. I like the look of the board and its been solid for me, stuffs just worked, and Elmor or whatever his name is that sorts the bios stuff out has been really ontop of getting stuff fixed etc when other vendors have lagged well behind.

Definitely changed my outlook on Asus Rog stuff, i used to think they was overpriced, but after using one for a year i can see where the money has gone.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Yeah a lot of people have said if i want to upgrade to keep the CH6 rather than splurge on the CH7, although i would probably still buy the CH7 :) and deffo if i was building new. I like the look of the board and its been solid for me, stuffs just worked, and Elmor or whatever his name is that sorts the bios stuff out has been really ontop of getting stuff fixed etc when other vendors have lagged well behind.

Definitely changed my outlook on Asus Rog stuff, i used to think they was overpriced, but after using one for a year i can see where the money has gone.
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I think i am one of those that has suggested either keeping or buying a second hand CH6. The reasons for making that suggestion is really very simple, the CH7 will not and does not get any better CPU clocks or Ram clocks than the CH6. Another reason of course, when Ryzen 2 proper is released next year, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a CH8 to go with it. As the 2000 series Ryzen's were really just a re-fresh of Ryzen 1000 but Ryzen 2 is a different node, it will then benefit more from a new mobo.
 
kitfit1 said:
I think i am one of those that has suggested either keeping or buying a second hand CH6. The reasons for making that suggestion is really very simple, the CH7 will not and does not get any better CPU clocks or Ram clocks than the CH6. Another reason of course, when Ryzen 2 proper is released next year, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a CH8 to go with it. As the 2000 series Ryzen's were really just a re-fresh of Ryzen 1000 but Ryzen 2 is a different node, it will then benefit more from a new mobo.
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Yeah I think I'm going to sit tight for now, the upgrade itch was on me, but Intel's joke of a 9900k announcement has squashed that, if that chip had been £450 and the motherboards more reasonable in price I think I would have bit.

As it stands now I can drop a 2700x in but no real point, wait out 7nm then do a full system build. Just ordered an Xbox One X with games to replace my Xbox One, that'll do me til 7nm Ryzen :)
 
any more info on when Ryzen 3000 is coming? I would've thought AMD might be tempted to "leak" a bit of info in light of intel's show today. I'm really hopeful of Q2 next year, just hope my dodgy mobo holds out till then.
 
Wommers said:
any more info on when Ryzen 3000 is coming? I would've thought AMD might be tempted to "leak" a bit of info in light of intel's show today. I'm really hopeful of Q2 next year, just hope my dodgy mobo holds out till then.
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As it stands at the moment, the only peeps that have any idea when Ryzen 2 is released is AMD and i doubt at this time even they can give you a date. As the 2000 prompted Intel to release the 9900K in the first place, why should AMD "leak" anything in relation to Ryzen 2 ? Obviously it has Intel worried, hence the 9900K. As AMD already has Ryzen 2 in production they already know if they have a 9900k killer or not. Only time and patience will give us all the answer.
 
4K8KW10 said:
We are at the engineering samples stage - https://hardforum.com/threads/the-r...-has-received-its-first-zen-2-sample.1967802/
First 8-core/16-thread ES at 4.0/4.5GHz.
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First up, the guy who posted this on H has a solid rep, so this is likely a true report. Story goes that the ES was delivered to RTG for optimisation. Apparently Zen Infinity Fabric interacts with PCIe so GPU Drivers need to be optimised for each uArch.

Extremely promising if it's an early ES, but (obviously) doesn't speak for the IPC of Zen2. Looking at the Intel 9000 series, it really needs a good 10% IPC lift and to clock at 4.5+.

A bit meh if it's a late ES with 4.5 boost, where AMD will need to run fine margins to compete with the 9000 series. Maybe not looking at the current prices :rolleyes:
Again, it depends on the performance of the 9000 series, where I'm expecting a bit of regression from the 8000 series due to latency increases.

Hard to know if it's early or not, but it sounds like EPYC products should be in the sampling phase, so surely the silicon is getting towards maturity?
 
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