Evo Triangle: Your fun is up.

Housey said:
It is a good road, great sections but it’s just a good road and not something you can’t find elsewhere. It has some sections where you have good visibility and can therefore join up some of the sections but for me the straight sections are for slowing down not carrying big speed but too many drive it flat out everywhere and that’s just daft.
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Very true. Sums up my thoughts on it too. Far too many people carry way too much speed along the straights sections. It is an enjoyable route but certainly not unique in any way.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
The cameras put through the port talbot m4 stretch raked in a fortune when first put in. No idea how you manage to get caught out in them.
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Been done on these myself :D. I woke up at about 3am after barely any sleep to start my journey to Gatwick airport with cruise control to 70. Only realised once I was in front of the second camera by which point it was to late anyway. Learnt my lesson and the next time I drove to the airport I got a bit more sleep before my journey.
 
Phil W said:
Meh, some bits of it are nice to drive but it's not the only enjoyable road in Wales. Shame though, not sure our annual New Year's Evo Triangle trip will be quite as good hey, @agw_01 :)
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Think I'd tend to agree. Last year I had to visit a customer in Sandbach just before the Easter hols. I decided to take the opportunity to make a long weekend of it and nip into Wales to visit the triangle. Booked an AirBNB nearby to stop overnight, then got up early, drove around it then made my way home to Kent by driving down through Wales.

The triangle was a good drive, but by no means the most enjoyable road I found that day. However, I think part of that was the car - the triangle was very fast, lots of open straights where you can really stretch a powerful car, but mine isn't known for its abundance of power. I had more further south when I found some smaller and more technical roads. Still, you can see why the triangle is a popular spot for supercae tests, shame to see it hobbled with cameras :(
 
Conscript said:
Think I'd tend to agree. Last year I had to visit a customer in Sandbach just before the Easter hols. I decided to take the opportunity to make a long weekend of it and nip into Wales to visit the triangle. Booked an AirBNB nearby to stop overnight, then got up early, drove around it then made my way home to Kent by driving down through Wales.

The triangle was a good drive, but by no means the most enjoyable road I found that day. However, I think part of that was the car - the triangle was very fast, lots of open straights where you can really stretch a powerful car, but mine isn't known for its abundance of power. I had more further south when I found some smaller and more technical roads. Still, you can see why the triangle is a popular spot for supercae tests, shame to see it hobbled with cameras :(
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Completely agree, I felt massively down on power on the straights in the 5 but the corners were great. It made me appreciate the incredible suspension that must be found on better sports cars though, the damping was very lacking in the 5 :D
 
Denbighshire Council are starting to cover their roads with average speed cameras, aside from on the A55 before the Rhyl junction (Rhualt Hill) I'm pretty sure there's a stretch near the Horseshoe Pass with them now too.
 
Better roads between my house and the evo V than the V itself.

Stick to the lesser known ones that aren't frequented by idiots or camera vans and it's a more enjoyable experience anyway
 
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Denbighshire Council are starting to cover their roads with average speed cameras, aside from on the A55 before the Rhyl junction (Rhualt Hill) I'm pretty sure there's a stretch near the Horseshoe Pass with them now too.
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Yeah there is, if they did that for both directions it would hit the Ponderosa Cafe hard as they make a huge amount of money from the bikers that go up there in summer. Tbh I have stopped going to Wales as there are camera vans everywhere nowadays and they have also started putting double white lines everywhere to stop any overtaking.
 
I just hope that the many excellent roads that are in that general area (many of which are significantly better than the EVO Triangle) remain untouched. There are some real gems around there which deserve to remain unspoiled either by knobbers or by cameras.
 
No thanks. Would rather spend that money on increased road policing, not cameras which only capture people speeding with no discretion whatsoever.
 
Again, this is real easy. If drivers can keep their parts in their pants, no one gets caught, there's no funding for the cameras and they'll get pulled, as they're certainly not free to run.
It's not any different, whether we're talking about this road, or others.

The issue is the sheer inability of too many drivers to control themselves. Annoys the hell out of me.
 
Conscript said:
No thanks. Would rather spend that money on increased road policing, not cameras which only capture people speeding with no discretion whatsoever.
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What? Its a limit, and you do often get a bit of leeway from cameras, camera wont get you for doing 31 in a 30 for instance. If you cant understand that, shouldn't be driving.

Mr_Sukebe said:
Again, this is real easy. If drivers can keep their parts in their pants, no one gets caught, there's no funding for the cameras and they'll get pulled, as they're certainly not free to run.
It's not any different, whether we're talking about this road, or others.

The issue is the sheer inability of too many drivers to control themselves. Annoys the hell out of me.
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Couldn't agree more, too many selfish people. We all have to share the roads, why some feel its there own personal race track i don't know.
 
robj20 said:
What? Its a limit, and you do often get a bit of leeway from cameras, camera wont get you for doing 31 in a 30 for instance. If you cant understand that, shouldn't be driving.
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And if you can't understand that there's worse transgressions than occasionally exceeding that limit, that cameras can do nothing about, then perhaps you shouldn't either.

See? I can do condescending too!
 
robj20 said:
What? Its a limit, and you do often get a bit of leeway from cameras, camera wont get you for doing 31 in a 30 for instance. If you cant understand that, shouldn't be driving.

Couldn't agree more, too many selfish people. We all have to share the roads, why some feel its there own personal race track i don't know.
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Then there is the real world....

Last week for the first time in a long time, I sat on the M40 coming North in the inside lane at a fixed 70mph on cruise control for perhaps 30 miles. Outside of a few lorries I caught, not a single vehicle bar 1 car who was driving like me (I assume this was you?) EVERYTHING passed me in my line of site. Some of them by a few MPH, some of them by significant speed differentials but I was, lorries and 1 other motorist aside, the slowest car in my local vicinity. I watched cars come up behind me, also in the inside lane and pull out to overtake, bar the 1 who sat with me for most of the 30 miles. No one died, speed did not kill anyone and everyone got on with going from A to B without impacting anyone else.

Now if you think and arbitrary legal limit is there to stop deaths then you are obviously going to support sticking to limits, as I do in many road situations and I think if you break the law and get caught then pay your dues and don't moan about it. However, if you think most of the time speed has no impact on life, but bad driving does, then you might understand why many people think a car carrying 15mph-20mph speed on a relatively clear motorway isn't a problem to anyone, if the drivers are driving with due car an attention. Saying "if they had due care and attention they would be doing the speed limit" also misses the point too just in case that was a come back...
 
Housey said:
Then there is the real world....

Last week for the first time in a long time, I sat on the M40 coming North in the inside lane at a fixed 70mph on cruise control for perhaps 30 miles. Outside of a few lorries I caught, not a single vehicle bar 1 car who was driving like me (I assume this was you?) EVERYTHING passed me in my line of site. Some of them by a few MPH, some of them by significant speed differentials but I was, lorries and 1 other motorist aside, the slowest car in my local vicinity. I watched cars come up behind me, also in the inside lane and pull out to overtake, bar the 1 who sat with me for most of the 30 miles. No one died, speed did not kill anyone and everyone got on with going from A to B without impacting anyone else.

Now if you think and arbitrary legal limit is there to stop deaths then you are obviously going to support sticking to limits, as I do in many road situations and I think if you break the law and get caught then pay your dues and don't moan about it. However, if you think most of the time speed has no impact on life, but bad driving does, then you might understand why many people think a car carrying 15mph-20mph speed on a relatively clear motorway isn't a problem to anyone, if the drivers are driving with due car an attention. Saying "if they had due care and attention they would be doing the speed limit" also misses the point too just in case that was a come back...
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And what you have to understand is who gives you the right to decide you carry the skill to break the limit. Do we start doing an extra test so your allowed to speed. You will always get the idiot that thinks he's good enough that then kills someone.
You could argue this about any law, why is speeding seen as okay but breaking other laws isn't.
Why should I have to pay for bread can I go steal some because I don't agree with that particular law.
Just don't speed it's not rocket science.

I don't agree with all speed limits by the way. Motorway nice clear day next to no cars, remove the limit all together. Country roads you airways get the idiots that think they know best, then crash into the back of a tractor round a blind bend.
 
robj20 said:
And what you have to understand is who gives you the right to decide you carry the skill to break the limit. Do we start doing an extra test so your allowed to speed. You will always get the idiot that thinks he's good enough that then kills someone.
You could argue this about any law, why is speeding seen as okay but breaking other laws isn't.
Why should I have to pay for bread can I go steal some because I don't agree with that particular law.
Just don't speed it's not rocket science.

I don't agree with all speed limits by the way. Motorway nice clear day next to no cars, remove the limit all together. Country roads you airways get the idiots that think they know best, then crash into the back of a tractor round a blind bend.
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I am all for more testing. I know what I was like at 19, which is why I was banned for reckless driving I guess. Special type on nutter with zero fear, like most 19 year olds and I too thought I was the greatest as I was sprinting from 16 so had a bit of fast car off track experience and was a 'race driver init'. Now at 51 self preservation becomes much more important as I have a much better understanding of what wrong looks like and how it can impact the lives of others. I still on occasions 'push on' but would like to think it is far more measured than most and I would argue I do know how to drive at speed, having done the training and having lots of experience of fast cars in the last 20 years. It is why on the OCUK meet in built up areas (or any others of course) I don't speed and only keep the taps open where I know I can stop before I get to something I cant see...for example.

Laws have to accommodate the lowest common denominator but having speed cameras on every road is something that would add little to safety. Fact is in a few years time we will all have black boxes and our movements will be monitored at every turn anyway. The world is to PC to allow people to have a bit of fun any more 'just in case'. When I was a kid and it snowed, we used to head to the local supermarket car parks well after everyone had gone home and have some fun hand braking our cars, spinning around and generally acting like eejits. The police on many occasions came into the car park, had a chat and told us to keep our eyes open and keep the noise down, but to have fun and keep the speeds sensible. That would not happen today, the world has changed.
 
I did the triangle and yes it's a nice enough bit of road but even then there were so many warning signs everywhere I was really paranoid and didn't really enjoy it as much as I wanted to.
 
Housey said:
Then there is the real world....

Last week for the first time in a long time, I sat on the M40 coming North in the inside lane at a fixed 70mph on cruise control for perhaps 30 miles. Outside of a few lorries I caught, not a single vehicle bar 1 car who was driving like me (I assume this was you?) EVERYTHING passed me in my line of site. Some of them by a few MPH, some of them by significant speed differentials but I was, lorries and 1 other motorist aside, the slowest car in my local vicinity. I watched cars come up behind me, also in the inside lane and pull out to overtake, bar the 1 who sat with me for most of the 30 miles. No one died, speed did not kill anyone and everyone got on with going from A to B without impacting anyone else.

Now if you think and arbitrary legal limit is there to stop deaths then you are obviously going to support sticking to limits, as I do in many road situations and I think if you break the law and get caught then pay your dues and don't moan about it. However, if you think most of the time speed has no impact on life, but bad driving does, then you might understand why many people think a car carrying 15mph-20mph speed on a relatively clear motorway isn't a problem to anyone, if the drivers are driving with due car an attention. Saying "if they had due care and attention they would be doing the speed limit" also misses the point too just in case that was a come back...
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Speedometer 70 or GPS 70?
 
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