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AMD RX 3000 series
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New M5's are not £5000, not even used ones are close. Might be able to find a slow dog of a 520D for that money with starship miles.
i think he was getting at the fact, he wont be able to pick up a card twice the performance of a 1060 for £250.00
The nice stuff, the premium stuff, the fast stuff it always cost more. You don't walk into BMW and cry because you can't afford an M5 or think they charge too much, its tough, so you either don't buy or you buy the slower model which still gets the job done or you plump up the cash and you buy that M5 and enjoy its performance.
I agree, i was pointing out that he was insinuating, wanting an m5 for £5000 isnt possible.
Not to mention I'd get done since I can't drive 
, pretty much above, buy cheap get cheap, you ain't going to get 1080 performance for 250, if 1080 performance is worth say £500, I'd say at the best you'd get it for 400 minimum if anything, because if you can get people to buy at 500 why charge 400?
, pretty much above, buy cheap get cheap, you ain't going to get 1080 performance for 250, if 1080 performance is worth say £500, I'd say at the best you'd get it for 400 minimum if anything, because if you can get people to buy at 500 why charge 400?I think he was saying he'd one of the these cards.
The car analogies never work in tech.
They do work since it's based on the same subject of value. I would buy one if they were cheap and I had a desktop, however anything thinking they will be that cheap are in cloud cookoo land.
Maybe you should have just said that in the first place. Possibly without trying to insult people, or at least offering an argument as to why.
Insult, where is the insult? This is all a bit daft isn't it if you class that as an insult. And in terms of debating the issue if why these won't be that price I think that's fine this is a message board.
Perhaps I'm making AMD fans upset because I'm doubting these cards will be cheap and they want them to be cheap, a bit like talking about referendums to brexiters. All I'm stating is common sense actually.
I dont class what you said as an insult, but I could see why some would hence the use of possibly.
I think everybody's so determined to ignore the hype train they're being close-minded, almost stubbornly ignoring the bigger picture. Take a big bucket of salt, let's assume the leaks are accurate and then follow me here...
I've changed my tune as of late about what Navi is replacing. I believe now that Navi is replacing both Vega and Polaris. Look at those specs:
The 3060 directly replaces RX580 and RX590
The 3070 directly replaces Vega 56
The 3080 directly replaces Vega 64
Now consider this:
14nm Vega is EOL
14nm Polaris 20 is EOL
12nm Polaris 30 seems to be nothing more than filling out a wafer agreement because 12nm Zen+ is EOL and Zen 2's I/O is using their 14nm process.
It's all well and good saying "AMD can't charge $250 for a 3070 because that's where Vega 56 is" but Vega 56 will not exist by the time the 3070 lands in retail, at least not in production terms anyway. So how is it unrealistic to price these Navi cards at the leaked prices when there is no previous generation product to prop/force the price up?
OK, a lot of inventory will still exist in the retail channels, but that's not AMD's problem, they've already had their money. Arguably AMD could pull an Nvidia at hike the Navi prices to clear Vega/Polaris stock, but given the backlash they had with Vega's ridiculous prices and the discontent towards Nvidia's RTX pricing, I really don't see them screwing the pooch by overpricing this time around. And if prices do hike to clear old inventory that it'll probably be retailers doing it, not AMD, or pushing the capitalist fallacy that "supply and demand" means charging more, rather than simply applying "first come, first served".
Also bear in mind that these leaked prices are probably AMD reference RRP. Of course AIBs will charge more because they'll strap custom coolers to the boards, make custom PCBs and add brand recognition premiums (looking at you, Asus).
And look at CPU prices too. Take away Intel's gouging for a moment, they've never subsidised a previous generation when a new one came out. Same goes for Ryzen: Ryzen 1 isn't ridiculously cheaper than their Ryzen 2 replacements (at least not until recently). So why would it be different with GPUs?
It looks to me that AMD are planning a complete and total reboot of their gaming GPU offering, starting fresh and able to give the stagnated market (in which they've also played a part) a big kick in the rear. as part of that.
Do I think the leaked Navi prices are too low? Yes. Do I think they're wildly inaccurate? Not so much.
I've changed my tune as of late about what Navi is replacing. I believe now that Navi is replacing both Vega and Polaris. Look at those specs:
The 3060 directly replaces RX580 and RX590
The 3070 directly replaces Vega 56
The 3080 directly replaces Vega 64
Now consider this:
14nm Vega is EOL
14nm Polaris 20 is EOL
12nm Polaris 30 seems to be nothing more than filling out a wafer agreement because 12nm Zen+ is EOL and Zen 2's I/O is using their 14nm process.
It's all well and good saying "AMD can't charge $250 for a 3070 because that's where Vega 56 is" but Vega 56 will not exist by the time the 3070 lands in retail, at least not in production terms anyway. So how is it unrealistic to price these Navi cards at the leaked prices when there is no previous generation product to prop/force the price up?
OK, a lot of inventory will still exist in the retail channels, but that's not AMD's problem, they've already had their money. Arguably AMD could pull an Nvidia at hike the Navi prices to clear Vega/Polaris stock, but given the backlash they had with Vega's ridiculous prices and the discontent towards Nvidia's RTX pricing, I really don't see them screwing the pooch by overpricing this time around. And if prices do hike to clear old inventory that it'll probably be retailers doing it, not AMD, or pushing the capitalist fallacy that "supply and demand" means charging more, rather than simply applying "first come, first served".
Also bear in mind that these leaked prices are probably AMD reference RRP. Of course AIBs will charge more because they'll strap custom coolers to the boards, make custom PCBs and add brand recognition premiums (looking at you, Asus).
And look at CPU prices too. Take away Intel's gouging for a moment, they've never subsidised a previous generation when a new one came out. Same goes for Ryzen: Ryzen 1 isn't ridiculously cheaper than their Ryzen 2 replacements (at least not until recently). So why would it be different with GPUs?
It looks to me that AMD are planning a complete and total reboot of their gaming GPU offering, starting fresh and able to give the stagnated market (in which they've also played a part) a big kick in the rear. as part of that.
Do I think the leaked Navi prices are too low? Yes. Do I think they're wildly inaccurate? Not so much.
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These rumours and leaks offer up unprecedentedly cheap prices, overly high clock speeds, incredible power consumption and serious performance.
All from a new 7nm process, now don't get me wrong, this 7nm process is looking to be quite a good step from the currant 14/12nm processes, but to expect all of the above is just farcical.
We might get one or two of the promises but certainly not all four.
All from a new 7nm process, now don't get me wrong, this 7nm process is looking to be quite a good step from the currant 14/12nm processes, but to expect all of the above is just farcical.
We might get one or two of the promises but certainly not all four.
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What? It's easily worth £350+, V64 is currently £390 (and that's with over £100 off), next one is £479 here, and it's old tech.
These rumours and leaks offer up unprecedentedly cheap prices, overly high clock speeds, incredible power consumption and serious performance.
All from a new 7nm process, now don't get me wrong, this 7nm process is looking to be quite a good step from the currant 14/12nm processes, but to expect all of the above is just farcical.
We might get one or two of the promises but certainly not all four.
I'm not sure it is. Graphics card price have spun out of control of various reasons, price of this level of card have been reasonable. Take the RX480 launch for instance. If AMD have a 7nm node that work well with the Navi chip these prices are perfectly reasonable.
Not when you consider the cost of the GDDR6 memory, as Gibbo has already said 8GB of it cost somewhere in the region of $112, without any margins for AIB or reseller. So that would be well over half the cost of the 3070 for example.