I don’t think this is normal delinquent crime though. I guess we’ll have to see... people don’t just shoot others because they’re poor. Mental health could be a factor or perhaps an ideology of some sort.
Strasbourg shooting: Gunman at large after three killed and 12 injured
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I don’t think this is normal delinquent crime though. I guess we’ll have to see... people don’t just shoot others because they’re poor. Mental health could be a factor or perhaps an ideology of some sort.
I added a bit, clearly this is a terrorist attack, that the motivations that led to it are ultimately in my opinion more low-social status/low future outcome than religion. religion is just a convenient group of like-minded individuals, especially in prison where most of them will be less than comfy individuals espousing a nice worldview.
Uplift these people and you stop giving them reasons to be angry, isolated individuals looking for the closest thing to family/friendship to fill a void.
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They certainly said he was born in Stasbourg
Bloody immigrants! Oh.
Bloody immigrants! Oh.
Completely agree, although I do not believe it has been acknowledged yet, I suspect that it will come down to Islamic radicalism.
We need to stop looking at this as an 'overseas' immigrant problem now, its not foreigner related, its religion related.
Unless he's connected in some way to IS I would guess its more likely an over spill of recent civil unrest that this individual decided to take action over feeling overly under the thumb from punitive taxation / austerity.
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I do think people often overlook StriderX point of it being a social problem. Be it gang crime or home grown religious fanatics - people often take these paths due to social issues.
I can't imagine many people turned to religious fanaticism or gang crime after leading a happy and comfortable life. Force an area into extreme poverty and gang crime will rise heavily. These areas will also have an increase in drug addicts and mentally unstable people.
With all the civil unrest in the capital, we can only guess what the motives are for this guy.
I can't imagine many people turned to religious fanaticism or gang crime after leading a happy and comfortable life. Force an area into extreme poverty and gang crime will rise heavily. These areas will also have an increase in drug addicts and mentally unstable people.
With all the civil unrest in the capital, we can only guess what the motives are for this guy.
Quite possibly. I mean we’ve had a right wing guy crash a van into people over here, we’ve had anti gay terror attacks in soho.
These things are generally ideologically driven though (with the exception perhaps being mental health issues), it isn’t just poverty/social status as the other poster seems to think, that could be a catalyst but isn’t the underlying cause. It isn’t like we see the working class moderate Lib Dem voter who was previously a labour supporter and occasionally attends church blow himself up over current UK foreign policy.
That's because we live in a different country with a different set of norms, you can't really compare it without realising there are differences to focus on and frankly our situation has been better than Frances for decades.
Some of these youths have been permanently left to rot in the outskirts of the big cities, all the while (apparently technocratic) Macron is giving his rich friends more money... Focusing on the religious aspect while ignoring the fundamentally destructive gap in social mobility is just going to do absolutely nothing to solve this issue.
The Far-right is coming back to Europe after all (ignoring that Islamist is a far-right problem aswell, but for ease of discussion), we'd just swap one set of bombs and bullets for another. You could imply that they only exist and would just happily disappear if we 'magically' removed every brown person, but that's just beyond naive.
I don’t think so, it’s not like all poor people in France only follow one ideology. It is potentially a catalyst but I don’t think you can argue it is the underlying cause without explaining why we haven’t seen lots of similar attacks in France from poor people not ideologically motivated.
Because generally it's not had justification or widespread acceptance in whatever section of society they inhabit, this guy inhabited a prison cell or otherwise poorer areas.
Frankly we'll be seeing far more home-grown attacks in the future once the political mess continues to elude a solution to the increasing wealth disparity of it's populace, and general contempt for their voters starts annoying people enough.
The fact is that increasing the wealth of the working class is infinity more value than wasting it chasing the incidents after the fact. It's honestly too late now though, the disaster is unavoidable.
I suspect the reasons individuals go "all-in" with any extreme ideology, whether it be radical Islam or the far-right, are similar. It's always going to attract "folk with issues".
Of course it goes without saying that I hope this chap is dealt with quickly before he has the chance to do any more harm.
Of course it goes without saying that I hope this chap is dealt with quickly before he has the chance to do any more harm.
From what was said on the news last night the list he was on had tens, if not hundreds of thousands as it had a "very low bar" to be put on it.One could jail the lot in a FEMA camp under the national security laws(I think. I don't know French laws)
It sounds like the sort of list you can potentially be put on for simple google searches and knowing someone - a couple of my friends joke they're probably on various lists as they're academics/chemists, and there was a story the other week about people doing certain university courses being warned about where they read some of the course materials.
It was also mentioned the suspect was being raided in relation to criminal activities yesterday morning (sounds like armed robberies).
Hopefully they catch the scum and put him in jail for a very long time.
Saw this breaking last night.
OcUK left mode:
The poor terrorist was a victim of western oppression. He was born in France but never felt a part of it so you can't deport him. And good, he had too many infidels to kill there. Why send him to another culture that shares his views where there aren't infidels to kill?
Mohammed would be pleased. /left mode.
The governments just don't learn and WANT this to happen to their citizens. The more I see it and hear the info coming out after, it can't be anything else
OcUK left mode:
The poor terrorist was a victim of western oppression. He was born in France but never felt a part of it so you can't deport him. And good, he had too many infidels to kill there. Why send him to another culture that shares his views where there aren't infidels to kill?
Mohammed would be pleased. /left mode.
The governments just don't learn and WANT this to happen to their citizens. The more I see it and hear the info coming out after, it can't be anything else
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Sure Vince. Hows the Russia collusion going for you?
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I'm sure someone here will know of or even hear today in person some kind of apologism for terror attacks, well just send them this link, should make them think twice.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2005/10/why_ask_why.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2005/10/why_ask_why.html
It sounds like you're talking about ideology. It isn't as though all terrorists are poor working class either, there are plenty of well educated terrorists out there too - the attack itself begin entirely consistent and justifiable within their belief framework.
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Where are these well-educated terrorists? I only know of the duo in Fort whatsitsname in the US.