Crazy Tesco Car Park Incident

[h4rm0ny]

Would your opinion be the same if it were two guys in the car instead of a man and a woman?

My initial reaction would not be, no. If it was a male child and an older male, I would extend the same sympathy to the younger male as to the woman. If the woman looked supportive of the male driver, I would not extend the same doubts I do to the woman in this case. But for a woman who looks afraid and not in charge, yes - I extend a greater degree of initial doubt than to if it had been a man.

Men bond, women bond. I'm inclined to consider with two men in the front seats that they are likely operating as a unit far more so than different sexes. A man and a woman in the front seats, I'm inclined to consider one being the dominant and the other being the follower. Because when you come right down to it, that's how most couples operate in a crisis. And clearly in this situation the man is in control.

So yes, it makes a difference to me my initial reactions.

 

[h4rm0ny]

I dont understand why when they got the drivers car door open then backed off.

They could have pulled the keys out or even the driver.

Looks to me like the older man fumbled it. The younger man gets the door open and is keeping it over. The older man steps in to take over, perhaps to tell the driver to get out and the younger man steps back to allow the older man to handle it. Driver then grabs the door and pulls it closed again.

I agree, absolutely no need for the general public to get involved. Assuming the car was traceable the authorities will have enough information to pursue the offender.......however, if the car was also stolen etc., still not worth innocent people getting involved or injured for the sake of stolen goods from a bl**dy supermarket. Daft mob social media mentality, does my absolute fruit in.

If someone had driven a car over me, I like to think the people around would behave like this rather than stand aside and watch those people drive away saying 'someone else will deal with it'.

Does anyone in this country have to steal food really?

Food, sometimes. Booze, never.

I'm not angry at all, just pointing out that mob justice is never really a good thing.

Disagree. It's never the best thing. The best is a competent state that will handle things in a nice manner with a clear and documented chain of justice. But in lieu of that, mob justice fills the gap. It's worse because it's prone to inconsistency and error. But that does not mean to say it can never be a good thing. Frankly, I'm heartened to see people stepping up to get involved after (if the facts are as we're told), someone drove over a person in their way.

I think she;s trying to cover her face so she cant be identified, I doubt this is her first rodeo, good people dont get up one day and say "right lets get a hire car with fake ID and then go out robbing"

Well logically speaking, someone must get up one day and say that or it could never happen in the first place. Besides, you don't know her complicity in this. Maybe she's stolen booze before. I highly doubt she's sat in a car with this guy whilst he drove over two people before.

 

[The Running Man]

200 criminals over what time period, what are the circumstances each and every time, outliers.

Neither you nor I should ever have to walk down the road and face someone with 150 or even 50 convictions.

3 convictions should be a minimum 9f 10 years plus tagging on release. No parole vut if they dont behave like a saint then the sentence should be increased dramatically.

5 convictions should be life, meaning life.

That way it is impossible for people to have 50 convictions and still be on our streets.

And we should have course have explicit use of consecutive sentences.

Rape 4 women? Should be 4 consecutive life sentences. Not 7 years in total.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

I don't blame people for reacting the way they did, especially after seriously injuring someone. I'm not condoning mob rule but maybe law abiding citizens are sick of these kinds of people getting away free every time.

I wouldn't have a single gram of sympathy for them if they went to prison for 10+ years.

 

[dowie]

So running 2 people down was totally unprovoked? I thought he ran them down trying to flee from the mob trying to stop him with the stolen booze.

Yes, one of the people run over was a Tesco worker.

There was no mob, people helped out after they saw them run two people over.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Yes, one of the people run over was a Tesco worker.

There was no mob, people helped out after they saw them run two people over.

According to reports now, one of the people struck by the car is back at home with minor injuries. The other has "serious injuries" and is currently in hospital. Rumoured to be a broken back. There's a GoFundMe been set up but I'm not linking as I've no way to know if it's real or not.

 

[timebomb26]

Regardless of the previous actions of the people in the car, the people outside acted inappropriately and if I were them I’d be embarrassed watching that tape back.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

That's easy to say as an observer though I think. These people had just run someone over seriously injuring them. We don't know how serious that component was, though it certainly doesn't sound good.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Regardless of the previous actions of the people in the car, the people outside acted inappropriately and if I were them I’d be embarrassed watching that tape back.

If I saw the driver of that car deliberately run over someone, I would be proud to be part of a group of people trying to stop them fleeing the scene. So they tried to get them out of the car? I have little problem with that. How do you propose they go about that instead? Of course you dont, you'd advocate standing aside and letting them go because of course all responsibility should be abdicated to others. If the mob were lynching them over the nearest tree, you'd have a point. You don't have a point when they're trying to get an assailant out of his car and prevent him escaping.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Neither you nor I should ever have to walk down the road and face someone with 150 or even 50 convictions.

3 convictions should be a minimum 9f 10 years plus tagging on release. No parole vut if they dont behave like a saint then the sentence should be increased dramatically.

5 convictions should be life, meaning life.

That way it is impossible for people to have 50 convictions and still be on our streets.

And we should have course have explicit use of consecutive sentences.

Rape 4 women? Should be 4 consecutive life sentences. Not 7 years in total.

You'd get my cross in the box, for sure

 

[Chris Wilson]

My initial reaction would not be, no. If it was a male child and an older male, I would extend the same sympathy to the younger male as to the woman. If the woman looked supportive of the male driver, I would not extend the same doubts I do to the woman in this case. But for a woman who looks afraid and not in charge, yes - I extend a greater degree of initial doubt than to if it had been a man.

Men bond, women bond. I'm inclined to consider with two men in the front seats that they are likely operating as a unit far more so than different sexes. A man and a woman in the front seats, I'm inclined to consider one being the dominant and the other being the follower. Because when you come right down to it, that's how most couples operate in a crisis. And clearly in this situation the man is in control.

So yes, it makes a difference to me my initial reactions.

I make no distinction these days about women versus men when acting in a criminal manner, they want equality, they can have it, and take the rough with the smooth. In my recent experience women can be, and often are, as ruthless as men given half a chance. Too hot in the kitchen? Keep out! #ThemToo

 

[sanaxe1]

Regardless of the previous actions of the people in the car, the people outside acted inappropriately and if I were them I’d be embarrassed watching that tape back.

What would you of done in that situation?

 

[Hades]

My initial reaction would not be, no. If it was a male child and an older male, I would extend the same sympathy to the younger male as to the woman. If the woman looked supportive of the male driver, I would not extend the same doubts I do to the woman in this case. But for a woman who looks afraid and not in charge, yes - I extend a greater degree of initial doubt than to if it had been a man.

Men bond, women bond. I'm inclined to consider with two men in the front seats that they are likely operating as a unit far more so than different sexes. A man and a woman in the front seats, I'm inclined to consider one being the dominant and the other being the follower. Because when you come right down to it, that's how most couples operate in a crisis. And clearly in this situation the man is in control.

So yes, it makes a difference to me my initial reactions.

Unfortunately it's assumptions and sympathies for one gender over the other that causes more men to be found guilty and to receive longer sentences than women for a similar crime. She may be scared. She may have been coerced. Or maybe she is just scared of being caught. We won't know until the trial. But an assumption that she is less guilty because she's female shouldn't be acceptable nowadays. It doesn't help men or women. Both are equally accountable for their actions unless more facts are known.

Although I have quoted your post this isn't aimed at you. I am just increasingly seeing how unequal society is and having to call it out where I see it. I always try to treat both genders equally with no special treatment on either side.

 

[Greebo]

So running 2 people down was totally unprovoked? I thought he ran them down trying to flee from the mob trying to stop him with the stolen booze.

No he rant two people down as staff tried to stop him taking the booze. Then the "mob" consisting of members of the public then tried to stop him escaping.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Unfortunately it's assumptions and sympathies for one gender over the other that causes more men to be found guilty and to receive longer sentences than women for a similar crime. She may be scared. She may have been coerced. Or maybe she is just scared of being caught. We won't know until the trial. But an assumption that she is less guilty because she's female shouldn't be acceptable nowadays. It doesn't help men or women. Both are equally accountable for their actions unless more facts are known.

If you re-read my post, you'll see it's not that she's female, it's that she's a different sex than the perpetrator. If it were a female driver and the passenger were an alarmed-looking male, you would similarly see people suspecting he had less culpability. Men bond with men and women bond with women. Where the sexes are different, interactions tend to be based more around power-dynamic than unified goals. Note, I extended the same principle to different ages. If it were a man in his twenties at the wheel and a sixty-year-old man cowering in the passenger seat, we would do the same. If it were an adult male and a young teen in the passenger seat, we'd again lay primary responsibility at the adult male. You've disregarded most of what I wrote in favour of returning to a notion it's about treating women preferentially.

All of the above, I feel, applies to our initial impressions. And note your part about "both are equally accountable for their actions". Not in this case - he is the driver, she is hiding in the passenger seat and we can suppose she wants to be anywhere but there. Now if we later find out she was yelling "run her over, run her over" as he did so, we can assign some complicity. But right now, I'm very happy to suggest she probably is less to blame. And yes, that's partly based on her sex for reasons above. Two men are in cahoots. Two women are in cahoots. A man and a woman - well they might be a Bonny and Clyde but more typically they're unequal partners. Time will tell.

Although I have quoted your post this isn't aimed at you. I am just increasingly seeing how unequal society is and having to call it out where I see it. I always try to treat both genders equally with no special treatment on either side.

Believe me, I'm the first to call out things like Spain's unequal divorce and domestic abuse laws, custody partiality in UK courts or lack of support for male victims of violence. But I'm not going to throw out my understanding of human relationships to do so.

 

[dowie]

Regardless of the previous actions of the people in the car, the people outside acted inappropriately and if I were them I’d be embarrassed watching that tape back.

Why? They were trying to stop dangerous criminals, the law allows for the use of reasonable force, smashing up the car and attempting to open the door/get the driver to stop is perfectly reasonable.

 

[PiKe]

They should have caved the windscreen in.

It's a shame there haven't been any arrests made yet. I'm curious to see the type of person that is capable of doing something like this.

 

[Domo]

It is sad indeed that you reach the stage you need to steal your booze to get drunk on.

Not what I was referring to, but thanks for quoting me out of context

 

[Em3bbs]

They should have caved the windscreen in.

Although I agree with the sentiment, never go for the laminated windscreen, you'll be there all day! Side or rear windows only.

 

[Chris Wilson]

One good big fit bloke or two average ones could have lifted one front wheel off the deck whilst the rest did their civic duty on the occupants.... No LSD in that crate, no need to even lift both wheels up Turning the thing over would have been even better! The rugby lads round here love carrying people's cars and dropping them into spaces where extrication by normal means is impossible. Lovely lads, but they can get boisterous when out on the ale.